Future First Championship News

[nfhammes]

Originally Posted by cadandcookies

FIRST is in a difficult position here. Some of it is their own making, but a large part of it is just being the victims of their own success. Volunteer infrastructure simply isn't where it needs to be in a lot of places to allow FIRST to run the program exactly how they want to (which is likely quite similar to that 2011 proposal).

And that might be it - that they'd love to do something like the 2011 / Super Regional model, but it was a huge enough growing pain for FTC, and they're not convinced they can make the same huge leap in FRC. Splitting to two CMP events also gives the FTC Super Regional model a bit of space to grow, by doubling their slots, too. Maybe in 2020, they add two or three more CMP-level events that qualify teams to a late May World Championship event, adding an extra tier for FRC, at the level of existing Super Regionals for FTC, and acting as another World Festival for FLL. If this is a growth towards that old plan, it's really not a terrible solution for a difficult problem.

Having two CMP events is also a great way to get more CMP key volunteers, especially some of the roles that have been filled by a relatively small number of people for a while. Growing that pool is a valuable sustainability measure for FIRST, whether or not they're expanding towards a Super Regional-like model. The field expansion this year works towards that same goal.

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Carolyn_Grace

Will there be less inspiring people?

Or will there be more people inspiring there, who we haven't collectively discovered?

Perhaps there will be more opportunity for upcoming inspiring people to step out of the shadows of others.

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Or will "more be inspired" by the inclusion annually of another 400 teams gaining the Championships experience in 2017, over the 2014 Championships? (Yes, they added 200 this year and possibly next, but was that to gradually prepare and slide into the even higher inclusion and get set for 2017?)

Which is the already stated goal by FIRST and The Committee that was no real secret (3 Doc's were listed in the other thread, some repeatedly). There was a roadmap and tea leaves (only the final result was an actual secret), and they have already said they are listening and wish to work with the community to help cure the biggest ills of a completion of an annual Championship that many do seek as inspiration they put forth for their teams as a mission ...My take...The Community missed the hints and street signs along the way (I think in hindsight and looking back over all that was said and laid out over the last 3 or so years), mainly because the community as a whole, or here on CD at least, simply don't want the current conditions to be modified or change.

But continued existensial growth is requiring it do so (change), or we add another expensive & time consuming layer taxing all teams. Mix em up often(as most teams really won't save that much money anyway given the locations), and send the winners only from South to North to finish off Einstein, set aside $50.00 from each of the 800 Teams entries, and give each of the 4 Teams 10K addl'. expense money to fly home & back (shipping their Robots and equipment from Houston to Detroit), only 4 teams get that inconvenience...The 4 teams w/ a 50/50 shot at a Championship after Championship #1 each year.

Or, Set aside $100.00 from each of the 800 Teams and bring all 8 Teams back mid-June for a Televised Superbowl Of FIRST FRC World Champs Playoffs (Best of 5, or 7, or even a Best of 9 matches), giving each team 10K for expenses, and ship all 8 teams Bots & Tools to that location as soon as their Co-Champs matches are completed. A showcase event both Alliances would certainly deserve...The Full Red Carpet Treatment! (Then send them to The Whitehouse, or maybe Disneyworld!)

Hey, hold that Championship Playoffs it at either place.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Dustin Shadbolt

I'd be on cloud 9...

I'd be on one of two Cloud 4.5's.

[Dustin Shadbolt]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

I'd be on one of two Cloud 4.5's.

Well played sir....Well played.

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by cadandcookies

I'd love to see a world championship event return in coming years, but I'm willing to take at least a sip of the two Championship Kool-Aid before I spit it out in disgust.

FIRST is in a difficult position here. Some of it is their own making, but a large part of it is just being the victims of their own success. Volunteer infrastructure simply isn't where it needs to be in a lot of places to allow FIRST to run the program exactly how they want to (which is likely quite similar to that 2011 proposal). A lot can happen in five short years, and while I'm still not sure about the path HQ is leading us down, I must admit a certain amount of excitement to see what comes out on the other side.

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Pass that over I want a sip also! LOL.

BTW...Last year there were 4 Champions, and 4 Finalists! Did anyone cry when 6 became 8? (And they are listening to thoughts on getting the North/South Champions together for a reasonable playoff scenario). They did not say...THE END. They said Town Hall in St. Louis in a week and a half, let's hear some reasonable input from the community.

I never mind splitting a very large poker pot amongst willing players.....But, you best believe that we are going to leave a sizeable chunk in there and play that game out to the last bitter card. I want to know who the real champ is!
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Added:

While we may only be in 1 single place this year, and you can wave & talk to and converse with anyone from 600+ Teams that you like...You will still only play in 1 Division w/ 74 Other Teams, then in Sub-Divisions w/ 63 other teams if you advance to the Einstein Championship Finals. Your total competitive contact 137 maximum teams total....AMIRITE? (But yes, it will be a true Championship). Now...Put 300 of those teams (4 Divisions), down the street in another building, let everyone play out on 2 ladders, and bring the final winners together, and let them playoff...You still have a World Championship. Now just move those 2 buildings a couple million blocks away from each other. Do the same thing.

*My Request...Not my Teams.....***FIRST, Please inconvenience me and ask me to come play an extra play date, next week or 3 weeks or a month later, with an FRC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE on the line. (I'll race ya there, if I have to crawl on my bare hands & kneecaps!) Now: If you throw in a 10K sweetener to help cover some of my expenses...I'll be kissing you too when I arrive all bloody & skinned up. (Now televise it and make it big, a full blown 8 team production!)

That's just $50.00 Ea. =$80K Set aside / $5,000 for 800 teams. (Figured on 4 Team Alliances). Yes, International (Alaska/Hawaii), teams it would be much tougher on. No doubt there. Ask how many would balk though.