2015 Curie Divison

[zinthorne]

3663 is on Curie and excited to compete! What's to assume 1114 will pick 148 or vice versa? From a strategy standpoint yes they are likely the two best stackers on the field(who knows robots may get faster), but we also must consider strategy and how well they would work together. We all know 1114 has a trick or two up their sleeve still and will probably come out with a very fast 2 can grabber. But that is still only 2 cans and 3 will be needed to win. Also take into account that 1114 will clear the landfill very quickly which means they will use a ramp and if 148 is placing stacks on the near scoring platform, that is going to be a lot of traffic in that area. I think it will be very interesting to watch and see what happens.

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

1732 ranked #1 above 330 in 2007, splitting up the potential alliance of 330 and 1114. That alliance would have absolutely dominated Einstein.

[Shrub]

3130's an autonomous can burglar too. I didn't see them use it much at North Star but it was amazing at Northern Lights.

[Irwin772]

There is no way that 1114 goes into champs without some sort of trick up their sleeve, especially since can burgling is their main weakness and will decide a match on einstein. They do not design to win regionals they design to win worlds. I do know they were working on a very quick 2 can burglar at Winsor Essex

[MooreteP]

Originally Posted by George A.

Technically only one has to finish 1st. If 1114 finishes 1st and 148 finishes 75th then 1114 can still pick 148. However if anyone else finishes 1st they can break up the alliance.

Or you know....we can form our own alliances to the best of our ability!

It will be interesting to see if some teams in divisions tank matches near the end to facilitate rankings that are favorable to their playoff alliance desires.

It has happened.

I love Game Theory.

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

It will be interesting to see if some teams in divisions tank matches near the end to facilitate rankings that are favorable to their playoff alliance desires.

It has happened.

I love Game Theory.

I hope not. 948 will not tank any matches. If 1114 and 148 become alliance partners, so be it. We'll either have to find a way to beat them or salute them as they advance to Einstein.

With that said, I think it's time to design the world's fastest canburgler. We can beat 1114-148 juggernaut if they are limited to3 RC's....

[tprize]

Team 5586 is excited to compete in Curie! We are looking forward to seeing all of the teams compete, should be pretty interesting to see and learn from all of the veteran teams competing. We will make sure to take in all of the advice we possibly can so we can hopefully have a great 2nd season next year!

[Aidan H.]

I think one thing we will see at Champs in general is a LOT of co-op. At MSC there was at least an attempt at co-op in almost every match. All of the teams there realized that co-op was worth a lot to a team's average score, and getting it can really keep that team ranking high.
With all this talk of 1114 and 148 being the dominating robots in Curie, I think it is important to mention that neither have demonstrated an ability to place a co-op stack on the step. They can both build one in auto, which makes it really easy for an alliance partner to just pick up and score, but if 1114 and 148 have to trust other teams with their oh so important average score with a 40 pt co-op stack, I can see many situations where their ranking can slip out of their control.
I would say 1114 and 148, if they were to join forces, would most likely make it to Einstein finals, but that all depends on their ability to seed in the right place in quals.

[Link07]

Originally Posted by Aidan H.

I think one thing we will see at Champs in general is a LOT of co-op. At MSC there was at least an attempt at co-op in almost every match. All of the teams there realized that co-op was worth a lot to a team's average score, and getting it can really keep that team ranking high.
With all this talk of 1114 and 148 being the dominating robots in Curie, I think it is important to mention that neither have demonstrated an ability to place a co-op stack on the step. They can both build one in auto, which makes it really easy for an alliance partner to just pick up and score, but if 1114 and 148 have to trust other teams with their oh so important average score with a 40 pt co-op stack, I can see many situations where their ranking can slip out of their control.
I would say 1114 and 148, if they were to join forces, would most likely make it to Einstein finals, but that all depends on their ability to seed in the right place in quals.

Or opposing teams could just decide not to coop with them. Might not be enough to stop one from still seeding first though.

[George A.]

Originally Posted by Link07

Or opposing teams could just decide not to coop with them. Might not be enough to stop one from still seeding first though.

I'm NOT condoning purposefully sandbagging a team (or teams) but those 40 points are a big deal.

Techfire 225 in MAR was consistently 20 points or so above the rest of the pack when it came to alliance selection. Where did those 20 points come from? They were the only team that could consistently make an auto stack.

If teams decided to no co-op with the "powerhouses" it would deny them at least 20 points/match (40 if they are stacked).

So teams have to decide....will the 40 points help them more than it will hurt the leaders? Do they take the points for themselves or try and "help the greater good"?

[RoboChair]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

You are assuming that they will rank 1st and 2nd. If so, than it will be a tough combination. Remember though, that their 3rd pick will be crucial, as it will for every playoff alliance.

If they are not ranked 1, and 2, then any team ranked above one of them can poison the field by choosing and being declined as I think happened on Curie a couple of years ago.

Ya, sorry that was us. We seeded #1 undefeated in Curie. We were turned down by the first 4 teams on our list. By the time our Team Captain was on the 3rd choice she was having a hard time not laughing. Good times man!

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by George A.

I'm NOT condoning purposefully sandbagging a team (or teams) but those 40 points are a big deal.

Techfire 225 in MAR was consistently 20 points or so above the rest of the pack when it came to alliance selection. Where did those 20 points come from? They were the only team that could consistently make an auto stack.

If teams decided to no co-op with the "powerhouses" it would deny them at least 20 points/match (40 if they are stacked).

So teams have to decide....will the 40 points help them more than it will hurt the leaders? Do they take the points for themselves or try and "help the greater good"?

The fun/interesting thing is 1114 is half resigned to some level of sandbagging because they can't co-op for themselves at all. They've already conceded some of those co-op points in exchange for pretty ludicrous stacking ability. Judging by their OPR and rankings, I think that's paying off for them and they won't have to worry overmuch about their ranking slipping without any co-op.

[Wayne Doenges]

Not to be rude, but could we move this thread to the Championship folder?
That way they are all in one place.

We return you to your regularly scheduled thread

[sergioCorral842]

Originally Posted by Wayne Doenges

Not to be rude, but could we move this thread to the Championship folder?
That way they are all in one place.

We return you to your regularly scheduled thread

I apologize. Can someone move this please.

[JeremyF]

From NE Champs, I know Team 88, TJ^2, has a burglar running. We put one together at the competition and had some success. I believe they are working on a more permanent model for St. Louis. I also remember Team 230, Gaelhawks, consistently grabbing cans as well.