2015 Champs Predictions

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by cjl2625

http://www.simbotics.org/files/photo...ssex2015_0.jpg
From 1114's website, it looks like they had a cool canburglar from windsor essex. I can't find any video though.



0 step cans means 126 points?
In QF8 at NECMP, our canburglars missed, so all four went to the other side.
With 0 step cans, we (1519-195-2067) scored 214 points.

Missed... looked more like "got beat"

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Missed... looked more like "got beat"

In QF4, we got beat by your alliance.
In QF8, we just missed.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by cjl2625

In QF4, we got beat by your alliance.
In QF8, we just missed.

Yes, that's what happens when the can isn't there any more.

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Yes, that's what happens when the can isn't there any more.

Well, we were misaligned, so we were off target for both cans.
If we were aligned, 237 indeed would have beaten us to the first can, but we would have taken the second one.

[Dragonking]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Yes, that's what happens when the can isn't there any more.

Burn

[Loose Screw]

Originally Posted by cjl2625

http://www.simbotics.org/files/photo...ssex2015_0.jpg
From 1114's website, it looks like they had a cool canburglar from windsor essex. I can't find any video though.



0 step cans means 126 points?
In QF8 at NECMP, our canburglars missed, so all four went to the other side.
With 0 step cans, we (1519-195-2067) scored 214 points.

Those are max points per RC, ex 0 step would mean 3 stacks of 42pts, 3*42=126. If you got 214, there's another 28pts in auto (max), 28 in litter, then you would have scored an additional 16-20 totes (depending on 28 or 20 pt auton). Seeing how there's 18 in the landfill and another 12 in the HP zone, completely possible. Scoring another 3 6-stacks, that would be scary if you did get those containers. That sounds like a very good alliance.

But for every RC you don't secure, you would have to put up 21 totes to match your opponents.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Yes, that's what happens when the can isn't there any more.

I think you definitely need to go back and watch QF8 before you argue about it. 2067 clearly just missed their second can, 237 only beat them to one.

[Loose Screw]

With all the talk about canburglars OP, I want to check the math to see if it's possible to win a 1-3 RC loss at very high competitive play. Assuming auto points to be equal, and both alliances can make 42pt stacks with every container they have.

Alliance 1: 3RC grab auto
6*42+4*4=268

Alliance 2: 1RC grab auto
4*42+4*6=192

268-192=76, an additional 38 totes must be scored. With 4*6 totes being used by RC stacks, that leaves only 24 totes left to be scored. With auto points being matched, it is impossible to win at this insane level.

Now if Alliance 2 had a perfect 32pt auto mode, it would make it closer.

Alliance 1: 6*42+4*4=268

Alliance 2: 4*42+4*6+32=224

268-224=44, meaning 22 additional totes need to be scored to match scores.

So, in theory, it is possible to win, but highly unlikely. In this scenario where Alliance 1 can score 6 42pt stacks (wow!), it is highly likely that they also have a good autonomous mode score.

If an alliance in Finals steals 3 or 4 containers (and be able to score them), there is nothing Alliance 2 can do to win. It is very possible that two top teams could score 3 42pt stacks independantly, meaning that this scenario is very much possible.

TL;DR: RCs OP

[Kettering]

Originally Posted by Basel A

*573, as the 5th captain, took a big gamble picking 27, a dedicated canburglar/capper, as their first pick. But it paid off like crazy because they were able to get a phenomenal 3rd bot, 3098 (Watch them score 20 totes). It should not have worked, 3098 should've been picked way earlier.

It was actually 21 totes . And we were doing stacks of 6 just as fast in Semis and Finals.

[Loose Screw]

Originally Posted by Kettering

It was actually 21 totes . And we were doing stacks of 6 just as fast in Semis and Finals.

I really liked that alliance. In a game where the top OPR teams score 42pt stacks by themselves, it was really cool watching your alliance work together to score. Teams like 27 that focused on perfecting one element of scoring struggled in the rankings because they are extremely partner-reliant. However, when they were paired together in that alliance, they went far. They had a very good chance of beating #1, and they proved that the #1 alliance isn't a garunteed win. I hope to see more alliances like theirs at worlds.

[ks68]

Archimedes: 1023, 1640, 836, 4334 QF
Carson: 254, 5406, 2534, 1885 W
Carver: 1986, 368, 144, 337 QF
Curie: 1114, 148, 70, 120 SF
Galileo: 2056, 2451, 1619, 2836 SF
Hopper: 33, 2826, 5413, 2614 QF
Newton: 1678, 118, 1756, 4522 F
Tesla: 2481, 624, 48, 2587 QF

[Mitchell1714]

Archimedes 2338-68-217 SF
Carson 1519-67-93 W
Carver 368-971-216 QF
Curie 1086-701-176 QF
Galileo 330-525-365 SF
Hopper 2826-548-1218 F
Newton 195-3130-537 QF
Tesla 2054-2062-706 QF

[themccannman]

Archimedes : 1023 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Carson: 254 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Carver: 1986 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Curie: 1114 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Galileo: 2056 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Hopper: 2826 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Newton: 118 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Tesla: 2122 or 1806 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber

I'm fairly confident in all of those first pick guesses.

Teams are eliminated on einstein in order of can grabber speed.

[orangelight]

Originally Posted by themccannman

Archimedes : 1023 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Carson: 254 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Carver: 1986 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Curie: 1114 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Galileo: 2056 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Hopper: 2826 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Newton: 118 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber
Tesla: 2122 or 1806 seeds first, picks fastest can grabber

I'm fairly confident in all of those first pick guesses.

Teams are eliminated on einstein in order of can grabber speed.

But first they have to get to Einstein

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by orangelight

But first they have to get to Einstein

And speed doesn't matter if it isn't consistent.