2015 Curie Divison

[jman4747]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

I hope not. 948 will not tank any matches. If 1114 and 148 become alliance partners, so be it. We'll either have to find a way to beat them or salute them as they advance to Einstein.

With that said, I think it's time to design the world's fastest canburgler. We can beat 1114-148 juggernaut if they are limited to3 RC's....

+ infinity

[Irwin772]

1114 and 148 may not do anything with the coop stack but in the time that they would work on doing it they both have the ability to put up 42 points with another capped 6 stack with litter. This negates the potential losses from not doing the coop stack or set. The only issue they could run into for those points is if they lose all of the cans in a match, which is something I don't believe would happen in qualifications.

[Link07]

Originally Posted by Irwin772

1114 and 148 may not do anything with the coop stack but in the time that they would work on doing it they both have the ability to put up 42 points with another capped 6 stack with litter. This negates the potential losses from not doing the coop stack or set. The only issue they could run into for those points is if they lose all of the cans in a match, which is something I don't believe would happen in qualifications.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Dan Petrovic

1732 ranked #1 above 330 in 2007, splitting up the potential alliance of 330 and 1114. That alliance would have absolutely dominated Einstein.

Dominating Einstein is anything but a given. The alliance of 1732, 1114, and 330 only scored 34 points in Curie match 75.

[mark johnson]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

Dominating Einstein is anything but a given. The alliance of 1732, 1114, and 330 only scored 34 points in Curie match 75.

Joe that year wasn't to bad we won Curie with you guys but got beat on Einstein by 71 233 179 when we got disqualified when 1270 pushed 71 over battling for the same rung which was no fault of 1270 just a bad call in my opinion but you know what they say about opinions ! We had a great alliance with 330 910 1270 when we defeated 1732 67 48 for the Curie banner !! The Foley Freeze always loves playing with the Beach Bots !!!!!

[Ninja_Fish]

I pick 70 and 4613 to head alliance 1

[Tim_Andrews]

I say 1114, 379 and 3193. 1114 gets from the landfill, 379 makes 6 stacks from the human player station, and 3193 can grad the cans out of the middle for them. That is just my prediction.

[Gweiss96]

Originally Posted by Tim_Andrews

I say 1114, 379 and 3193. 1114 gets from the landfill, 379 makes 6 stacks from the human player station, and 3193 can grad the cans out of the middle for them. That is just my prediction.

Just so you know, 148 can do almost twice as much as 379 from HP and 1114 can grab the center cans.

[MrJohnston]

Prediction #1:
The lack of strong canburglers is apparent from the beginning and half of Curie begin designing bin-snatching devices on day 1. However, most of these are not mounted effectively until the last half of qualifications... 1114 is dominating the field - having access to all four center RC's in most matches and happily teamed up with the large number of strong feeder-station stackers. By the end of the first five or six rounds 1114 is averaging 30 points more than the second place team and is all but got the #1 seed locked up.

Meanwhile 148 is frustrated. Constantly teamed with strong feeder station stackers, their abilities seem wasted as one member of their alliance is virtually useless every match: They just don't have enough recycling containers available. Other good (but definitely weaker) stackers seem to be able to hang close to them in the standings - often using coopertition points to boost their scores. Still, when those bin-snatchers start working in the second half, 148's scores sore and they do take the #2 captaincy.

Knowing that there are many strong feeder station bot on the field, 1114 toys with the idea of choosing a the best available canburgler with its first pick. However, in the end, realizes it just doesn't want to find itself facing 148. Besides, 148 shows 1114's captain some really serious cheesecake that's ready to be mounted on their third and fourth robots.

As it becomes time to pick their last two robots, 1114 and 148 realize that they have no need for a third robot with scoring ability: They just need something to which they can attach 148's cheesecake. In a stunning move and an effort to make this feel like a true "World Championship" with a very international feel, 1114 snatches up 5654 and 5737 to complete the alliance. 148 proceeds to cheesecake both bots with strong enough cheese that they win most of their bin-battles and propel the alliance to Einstein.

[MrJohnston]

Prediction #2
(Yes, the serious long shot prediction)

The lack of strong bin-grabbers is downright painful. However, the few that are out there seem to always find themselves up against 1114 and never allied with 148. 1114 learns the hard way that they aren't quite fast enough on the grab is is constantly limited to 1 RC during a match. Moreover, its style of play nearly always prevents a partner from being able to complete coopertition stacks.

Meanwhile, 148 struggles with the complete lack of RC's and finds itself at odds with great alliance partner such as 3663 as they having no bins to stack at all. They spend their first few rounds in the top five unable to separate themselves from the pack.

Many teams spend most of the first day developing "wicked-fast" can-snatching mechanisms, but they are not ready until the end of qualifications - too late to help 148 to bolster its score.... Those other strong feeder-station bots hang close - those that have coopertition abilities or autonomous tote-stacking routines hang right with 148....

As qualifications begin to wind down, 148 and 1114 look up and the rankings and are completely shocked to see that 148 is sitting in third place with 1114 in second. Little-known 948 has managed to take advantage of a little luck in its pairings and its 3-tote-stack autonomous routine followed by an immediate coopertition score in every match to just slip into the #1 spot.

Alliance selections are intense... 948 chooses 148 - fully anticipating to be declined. And, they are. 948 then selects 1114. Bewildered 1114 isn't sure what to do. 148 is no longer a possibility. Is there a better stacker than 948 left? What if they declines and 948 takes that stacker (and gets declined again?!)? Resigned to their fate - and cursing coopertition points, 1114 graciously accepts the alliance offer. Due to an insane run in can burglers, a very strong 4061 manages not be drafted... until 948 snatches them up with their second pick. They seem to have improved their single can-snatcher in the two weeks since the PNW Championships and find that they are able to out-grab nearly all 2-bin grabbers... As is the newly mounted bin-snatcher on 948.

948-1114-4061 manage to run the table (though really have to battle in the finals against a tough 148-1318-610 alliance) and make Einstein.

[Abhishek R]

Oh man... Felt like I was reading some sort of 1114-148 fan fiction.

Interesting analysis though.

[RyanShoff]

Using maxopr as a team contribution predictor and the preliminary match schedule, here are the projected rankings.

Good thing its more fun to actually play the matches.

rank team QA

1. 1114 206
2. 148 185
3. 3309 176
4. 303 171
5. 701 170
6. 948 162
7. 379 162
8. 3959 158
9. 4143 157
10. 1574 154
11. 107 153
12. 1506 151
13. 1156 150
14. 56 148
15. 3663 146
16. 1305 146
17. 230 145
18. 1816 145
19. 70 142
20. 57 142
21. 4450 142
22. 610 141
23. 5046 139
24. 5603 139

[Mackenzie W]

Originally Posted by RyanShoff

Using maxopr as a team contribution predictor and the preliminary match schedule, here are the projected rankings.

Good thing its more fun to actually play the matches.

rank team QA

[*]1305 146

Well now I'm excited, I hope we can live up to that average!

[zinthorne]

I think OPR can be very deceiving this year. There are several good teams that do not always have a very high OPR. I can not wait to play matches and see how the rankings turn out!

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

Yup... We have our work cut out for us...

hey, there's plenty of good PNW robots to make our own little alliance