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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/Please give us your feedback on FIRST Announcement of 2 Champions

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Originally Posted by DonShaw View Post
I think the survey should have preceded the announcement. Folks it is a done deal contract have been signed and all they can do now is tweek any input on what to do at the two championships.

I keep hearing "First, the sport of the mind" from Dean and Woodie so set the events up like sports do. Yes it is great to involve more kids but do not dilute a championship. They should have looked at something like this:
1) District event
2) State event
3) Regional event
4) National event
5) World Event

Even maybe a US national event and a International event followed by a World event. Look how Little League Baseball does the Little League World series.

Can somebody explain to travel cost are going to be reduce for a team from Israel, Turkey or Australia have their travel reduced by the proposed cities?

They have expanded Worlds this year by 250 teams and diluted the event in my mind as far as competition of quality robots, yes more kids involved. Is this a money issue maybe, lets see how we can get more money by adding teams more events?

Kids like to win at high levels of competition in sports, debate clubs, music competitions, programming competitions, computer games and even in FRC Robotics believe it or not. First needs to understand this and if they do not the need to see reality when watching an event.

This is a bad decision and bad timing for the survey.

Shoot, aim, ready not ready, aim fire!

They got it wrong.
Wow, good luck convincing our school board to let the kids off of school that much! We would barely make it to the regional! Also, not sure how we are supposed to hold a state event with only 4 teams. And for a world event, do you realize how many events exist outside the US? Not very many. You would end up with a world event consisting of 20 teams.

As far as travel cost reducing, I do remember folks complaining that flying into St. Louis is much more expensive than other US cities. I.e. the travel cost went up for PNW teams when we moved from Atlanta to St. Louis because of airfare. I'm not sure how Detroit and Dallas play into that, though.

I get what you are saying, but in the current state of FIRST, that wouldn't work either. Maybe 10 or 20 years from now. It seems like either FIRST is moving towards a "super-regional" model, or this is their **temporary solution as districts expand and FRC and FTC keep vastly expanding. They needed some wiggle room while districts are in the process of becoming universal. And after that point, maybe one championship would be an option again.

Diluted competition this year? You realize that the 400-team championship is actually much larger than it used to be? It has grown from just a couple hundred to 400 in the 2000s. Did that dilute the competition? Expanding the championship by 200 teams has been done before. And while I wasn't there in the 200-team championship era, I do know people that were. And they never said "gee, I wish there were much fewer teams here this year, because the competition is much more dilute than it was 15 years ago."

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I'm kind of disappointed there was no field for "any other ideas for making 2 venues work?". I was looking for a place to endorse the "World Champs" and "World Festival" compromise, but then the survey was over
I mentioned this multiple times in the comment boxes. Go take the survey again and advocate for that!!
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