2015 Curie Divison

[The other Gabe]

if anyone's interested, I compiled together OPR data (from 955's website http://team955.org/opr/?search=global ) with my own analysis of video from TBA (when available) to make this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

this has info on who's landfill, feeder, who can do both can burglars, 3 tote autos, etc. It ain't perfect, but it's a start, and means you don't have to watch a ton of video to come up with some game theory

(I really wanted an excuse to put off my Calculus homework)

[JohnFogarty]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

Teams to watch on Curie (other than 148 and 1114) - listed in numerical order:

Who did I miss?

70: Can put up a couple of tall stacks, primarily from the landfill, has a solid 3-tote autonomous routine... Finished 4th in Michigan Champs qualifiers, but has something to prove after being eliminated in the 4th round.

107: Another Michigan team. ONly finished 15th in Michigan Champs qualifiers, but was an early pick (#3). Sports a solid 20 pt. autonomous and can put up two full stacks from the feeder station. Made it to semis in Michigan.

303: Another very solid feeder-station bot - had a very strong season in MAR. Can solidly put up two full stacks -and perhaps a little more. 6th in the Mid-Atlantic Champs, lost in the finals.

379: Out of Cleveland, this is another strong, consistent feeder station bot capable of putting up two full stacks plus a few more totes. Claim to fame: Competed in two regionals, #1 captain in both, won Buckeye.

701: This is perhaps the only team in the world this year to compete in three regionals - and lose in the finals in all three - against very strong competition. Another solid feeder station bot able to put up two full stacks - though has sown some play in the landfill.

948: Another very solid feeder station bot - able to put up two full stacks, plus a little more. Adds a very strong 20pt auto +fast coopertition combo that could affect qualifiers. Has been inconsistent all year. Put up the highest score in PNW this year.

1318: A PNW landfill bot with a pretty quick two-bin grab that consistently puts up two-five stacks from the landfill. Will compliment all the strong feeder bots well. 3 district events, 3 district wins.

1574: Won in Israel; can quickly grab two center bins... Some inconsistency in scoring...

3309: Three regionals this year, improvement at each one, culminating in a win in Arizona. This bot will put up 3 full stacks from teh landfill if allowed to do so - and has a very strong 20 pt autonomous. If it develops a way to snatch center bins during autonomous, this bot could be dangerous.

3663: Another strong feeder station bot - consistently putting up two six-stacks. Rumor has it that this PNW bot now also has an autonomous bin grabber...

3937: Yet another strong feeder station bot - able to put up two full stacks - plus a few more bins. Won at Bayou.

4061: Another strong feeder station bot from the PNW. It's ability to use tipped over bins sets it apart, though. Able to put up two full stacks from the feeder and recently added a pretty darn quick bin-grabber. Definitely has something to prove after a "software error" helped it to an early exit in PNW champs.

4143: A feeder/landfill hybrid able to put up two full stacks during teleop... Can snag center bins with long arm during teleop... May be able to do so during autonomous.

Good bots that almost made this list:
610, 1156, 2046, 3959, 4450, 5046

You're still overlooking 4613. They seeded 1st in Australia over the 359 Hawaiian kids. 3 tote + 3 can auto and 3 stacks of 6 from HP station.

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

You're still overlooking 4613. They seeded 1st in Australia over the 359 Hawaiian kids. 3 tote + 3 can auto and 3 stacks of 6 from HP station.

I typed that up before I saw your note about 4613.

They look good - but not as good as you are suggesting. Yes, they have the ability to do three stacks. In their best match, they did stacks of 5, 6, 6 - all with bins, but no noodles. They scored a total of ZERO autonomous points in Australia. Instead, they attempt to pick up all three recycling containers and start stacking.

I have not watched all their video- just a few matches at this point. The reason I missed them initially is simple: Their alliance scores are underwhelming. Watching the video shows that, most of the time, they were almost the only ones scoring on their alliance.

Here are their alliance scores through Australia:
Qualifications: 50, 66, 126, 28, 75, 46, 92, 100, 29, 69, 145, 14
Average = 70
Clearly they didn't frequently put up three 6-sacks (118 w/o noodles), even if their alliance partners scored zero points.

Quarters: 121, 114
Semis: 107, 169, 144
Finals: 114, 134, 104
Average = 125.9

Now, they've only played in the one event and show the potential to be a very strong feeder station bot. However, they have also shown the potential to completely tank matches. The question I would have about them: What have they done to improve themselves since March 14?

Yes, I put them on the "robots to watch" list. I don't, however, see them as a favorite in Curie until they show that they can replicate their efforts. An area they could struggle: Pairings. Their autonomous routine seems necessary for their stacking game. Thus, they eliminate the ability for other robots to score their auto-stacks at the same time. Also, if they pick up all three bins, but have an "off" match, they not only fail to score themselves, but prevent alliance partners who like those recycling bins from scoring as well.

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

Thus, they eliminate the ability for other robots to score their auto-stacks at the same time. Also, if they pick up all three bins, but have an "off" match, they not only fail to score themselves, but prevent alliance partners who like those recycling bins from scoring as well.

Well, first of all, they do an auto stack, but you make a valid point here: this makes canburglaring important

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

Well, first of all, they do an auto stack, but you make a valid point here: this makes canburglaring important

What makes you think they do an auto-stack?
They have played in one competition and scored a total of zero autonomous points.

[Ginger Power]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

What makes you think they do an auto-stack?
They have played in one competition and scored a total of zero autonomous points.

In case this was overlooked.

4613 is very impressive and I'd expect them to be an alliance captain or high pick.

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by Ginger Power

In case this was overlooked.

4613 is very impressive and I'd expect them to be an alliance captain or high pick.

Now that's more interesting... I did not see this earlier....
I do question the rope that pulls the last yellow tote in... In the second run through, it very much looks like it starts on top of (i.e. supported by) the tote- which would be a G7 violation... However, the dialogue about it states that it is free standing, which would be fine.

Yes, definitely a team to watch. I still don't rank them with 1114 or 148 (or even 3309) until they do it in competition. If they do what they claim, they will, in all likelihood, rank very high.

[Qcom]

So very excited to be back in Curie! Now that we've broken the curse, anything is possible. Although, I kinda want Tesla to become a powerhouse, because Tesla.

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

What makes you think they do an auto-stack?
They have played in one competition and scored a total of zero autonomous points.

their reveal video, and updated 3 tote auto video: it's possible that their auto never worked in actual competition; in fact it really does look like it based on what little video I can find... I guess it was too sketchy. my bad there, but they should have one at Worlds: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=136784

Edit: people kinda beat me to this, but gonna leave it up anyways

[JohnFogarty]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

their reveal video, and updated 3 tote auto video: it's possible that their auto never worked in actual competition; in fact it really does look like it based on what little video I can find... I guess it was too sketchy. my bad there, but they should have one at Worlds: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=136784

Edit: people kinda beat me to this, but gonna leave it up anyways

The way the do their auto now seems to be a lot more of a consistent method than the one they were using before at the AUS regional.

[RyanShoff]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

4143: A feeder/landfill hybrid able to put up two full stacks during teleop... Can snag center bins with long arm during teleop... May be able to do so during autonomous.

Thanks for the mention, but we are strictly landfill. We're able to get center bins in auto.

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by RyanShoff

Thanks for the mention, but we are strictly landfill. We're able to get center bins in auto.

The videos I watched suggested that you tended towards picking up the recycling bins near the feeder station (thus the label "hybrid"). If you are now grabbing the center RC's during autonomous, you become even more interesting.... Is there video of that somewhere?

[Gweiss96]

Originally Posted by AMathew15

At our first regional event we were only putting up just a little bit more then one six stack, at our second regional we were putting up little more then 2 six stacks a match and almost had a 3 tote auto, you can bet that we will significantly improve from what we have done at our past regional's now that we know what the competition is going to be so don't doubt us just yet.

Wasn't doubting you. Just saying how good 148 is. Sorry for confusion.

[Irwin772]

Originally Posted by MonteCristo578

I would bet money that 148 and 1114 are already working together. They are both sponsored by IFI and they both are masters of strategy. They probably have a trick up their sleeves. Let's be real here.
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considering that after winning worlds together in 2008 there was a picture of 1114's robot in 148's reveal video in 2009, I would almost guarantee they are working together to some degree.

[RyanShoff]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

The videos I watched suggested that you tended towards picking up the recycling bins near the feeder station (thus the label "hybrid"). If you are now grabbing the center RC's during autonomous, you become even more interesting.... Is there video of that somewhere?

Why yes there is video. The recordings are a week old. We have been iterating.