Predictions Championship 2015: Rush to the Finish & Top 25

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by howdosheeplamp

The winning alliance will have the fastest canburglar in the world.

Faster than the opposing alliance, probably, but not necessarily the fastest in the world.

[howdosheeplamp]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Faster than the opposing alliance, probably, but not necessarily the fastest in the world.

if an alliance that has the fastest burglar in the world can figure out a way to get 234 points (ex. 20pt auto + 5 stacks of 6 totes + noodle), they will probably win it all.

[Kearse]

Originally Posted by howdosheeplamp

if an alliance that has the fastest burglar in the world can figure out a way to get 234 points (ex. 20pt auto + 5 stacks of 6 totes + noodle), they will probably win it all.

That's under the assumption that all of the other alliances can't make stacks without cans and doesn't include "litter" points either though (but we'll say those can be evenly traded anyway).

You definitely win 1 on 1, but you can lose out in the semi's if that is exactly what said alliance is capable of. Should be safe during the quarterfinals though. This is only for Einstein really, the caliber of stacking on individual fields is likely not going to be competitive enough to have 2 alliances overthrow that average (234 pts) after losing can races in 1/3 of their semifinal matches.

If other alliances on Einstein are capable of putting up 7 full stacks when they win the cans (and I think there will be 2 fields that can do this), then there is a definite risk that their averages are higher despite the massive blow from losing the races against the fast alliance.

It's a bit of a perfect storm scenario and really I'd expect the 234pt alliance to win it all if they can always get the cans, but it's worth noting that they can still lose.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by howdosheeplamp

if an alliance that has the fastest burglar in the world can figure out a way to get 234 points (ex. 20pt auto + 5 stacks of 6 totes + noodle), they will probably win it all.

Yes they need to have out this bolded part nailed down and make sure their partners and their own robot are consistent on executing their stacking, capping, and litter to win it all. The fastest can arms won't win it all if you can't do anything with those cans or fail to execute in a few matches. Like Jared said there is a high chance the fastest arms in the division won't make it to Einstein because they can't assemble an alliance consistent & capable enough to get them there.

In a few ways its comparable to minibots in 2011 where the fastest will win however as we saw some of the fastest in the divisions weren't on Einstein. The ones who did make it still were some of the fastest (like we'll see with can arms).

[Bob Steele]

There are games within games in this competition.
We have qualifications, which weighs in coopertition to decide on alliance captains. Do Can Burglers have a real advantage here? probably not... although in a positive way, they can provide more than 3 RC's to an alliance and increase the average scores that way if the extra containers can be utilized by the stacker/scorers on their alliance.

We have quarter finals.... Here the score is everything... A great can burgler who is not an alliance captain can get stung here... If the can burgler is the best in the world ... the team can still get stung by a pick by a great coop bot that does not score effectively without coop. Can burglary is effective here but it can only affect 2 of the other alliances by keeping cans away from them it will add little to the alliance's chances of making it out of quarters. It can be a way for a team to gain extra points by having more than 3 RC's but you still need robots capable of putting up big points to get out of quarters.
In my opinion, Quarters are the most difficult issue of getting to the Finals.

Semi's Here is where Can Burglary can make a huge difference by both adding RC's to your own alliance and taking them away from another alliance. You get to play all of the other semi alliances so you can reduce everyone's scores....

Finals.... no need to analyze this... everyone has.
Just don't think that by having a great FINALS strategy that you will get out of quarters.


This is a complex game. I personally think that we may actually see some of the 4th picks being used in quarters... where points are KING..... with semi and finals alliances being a different arrangement.

Think about it this way... the three best can burglers in the world get on the same alliance ( I know it would not happen) They will NOT get out of quarters unless they have the other skills...

[dodar]

Not a lot of time left in "tomorrow".

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by dodar

Not a lot of time left in "tomorrow".

Last year they were posted at around 10:45 pm (EST).
I should probably go to bed so I can wake up at 3:30 for champs.... but I guess I'll wait for this.

[MrForbes]

I have to wake up at 2 am for Champs. I expect I won't get to sleep till 11 pm. Good thing I don't have to do much driving.

I doubt we'll make the list for Galileo...but hey, you never know.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Faster than the opposing alliance, probably, but not necessarily the fastest in the world.

Exactly. There are many, many scenarios where the fastest canburglar at the event is watching the Einstein Finals from the sidelines.

[Matt_Boehm_329]

Originally Posted by Jared Russell

Exactly. There are many, many scenarios where the fastest canburglar at the event is watching the Einstein Finals from the sidelines.

Fastest vs fast enough + consistent