Booing 2 Championships during the top 10

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[wesbass23]

Maybe they weren't booing, maybe they were just saying "twooooo"

[ASmith1675]

Originally Posted by wesbass23

Maybe they weren't booing, maybe they were just saying "twooooo"

[Alan Anderson]

My reaction was an "oooh!" of surprise at the reference to the Championshplit. I can imagine someone misunderstanding it, especially if they were primed for an expression of dislike.

[tickspe15]

I booed

[George Nishimura]

There are times when booing is inappropriate, but this was not one of those times. It was a short, harmless and spontaneous form of protest.

[grstex]

Originally Posted by George Nishimura

There are times when booing is inappropriate, but this was not one of those times. It was a short, harmless and spontaneous form of protest.

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do.

[Michael Hill]

Originally Posted by grstex

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do.

What if my grandma's a Cubs fan?

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by grstex

Its a question of class. I remember gracious professionalism being defined as behaving in a way that would make your grandmother proud. I'm all for protest, but booing is what Cubs fans do.

I think it is an interesting way for people to make a point very publicly. No one in the community is very happy that FIRST kept the 2 championships idea under wraps until 2 weeks before the World championship. FIRST, to my knowledge, has taken any input from the community on this idea at all. And the town hall meeting was scheduled and set up where many people or teams had to choose between lunch or the meeting.

Booing or not cheering is the biggest way the community has to show their thoughts on the idea. It also puts it into a more public light that the community is not happy.

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Also not cool. I'm a Cubs fan and you are taking an unwarranted jab at me.

[grstex]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

I think it is an interesting way for people to make a point very publicly. No one in the community is very happy that FIRST kept the 2 championships idea under wraps until 2 weeks before the World championship. FIRST, to my knowledge, has taken any input from the community on this idea at all. And the town hall meeting was scheduled and set up where many people or teams had to choose between lunch or the meeting.

Booing or not cheering is the biggest way the community has to show their thoughts on the idea. It also puts it into a more public light that the community is not happy.

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Also not cool. I'm a Cubs fan and you are taking an unwarranted jab at me.

Fair enough, I apologize for the Cubs remark.

Ask yourself, though, why were you offended? Why would booing be frowned upon in one situation and not the other? Booing is a sign of disrespect. That is self evident. And yet, this thread you started to praise those who booed FIRST. In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST. And while I can sympathize with the feelings of those who booed, I cannot respect those who would praise the action. AGAIN, how would you feel if about these actions if your grandmother was watching?

(And before anyone says that FIRST disrespected the community, remember that they're at least trying to address some of the concerns. The proposals they brought up at the town hall will at least somewhat address they concerns I've seen brought up. They are at least trying to listen.)

[smart1]

In my opinion they should not have made that joke, I think that was disrespectful so it got a justifiably disrespectful response. The town hall meeting is all show they don't want peoples input they want you to think that they do, why do you think they announced it when they did?

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by grstex

In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST.

Maybe that means something is unique about this situation.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by grstex

Ask yourself, though, why were you offended? Why would booing be frowned upon in one situation and not the other? Booing is a sign of disrespect. That is self evident. And yet, this thread you started to praise those who booed FIRST. In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST. And while I can sympathize with the feelings of those who booed, I cannot respect those who would praise the action. AGAIN, how would you feel if about these actions if your grandmother was watching?

(emphasis mine.) Why do you feel it's self-evident? If everyone who booed in the stadium had instead shouted "We are very displeased with this decision!", would that be disrespectful? Is there a different way to convey this emotion that you don't feel is disrespectful but is still logistically comprehensible?

You can think that booing is always disrespectful, that doesn't mean it universally interpreted as such. Booing in a shorthand form of displeasure. When you boo a stand-up comic or a theatrical monologue, you're not saying "We're displeased with this decision!" you're speaking directly to a performer/player by saying "You personally suck!" Unless FIRSTers were personally trying to torment the guy reading the list, there's nothing personal about the delivery as such. It's like grousing the newscast of a legal ruling you don't like. You're angry, not mean.

Originally Posted by grstex

(And before anyone says that FIRST disrespected the community, remember that they're at least trying to address some of the concerns. The proposals they brought up at the town hall will at least somewhat address they concerns I've seen brought up. They are at least trying to listen.)

Okay, I'll say it after I read this: I think FIRST disrespected the community. I don't think this has anything to do with the topic at hand, and you're free to disagree with that interpretation, but understand that nothing they have or could do now changes what they already did then.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Siri

Okay, I'll say it after I read this: I think FIRST disrespected the community. I don't think this has anything to do with the topic at hand, and you're free to disagree with that interpretation, but understand that nothing they have or could do now changes what they already did then.

I'll second this. FIRST has disrespected the community more and more over the years. The first time I really noticed it was 2012 when Bill Miller stood up at a regional and told teams that all comms failures were the fault of the teams and the FMS was perfect. Then Einstein happened.

Over the years it's become more and more apparent that, not only is HQ out of touch with the reality of a community that has grown up around their program, but that they frankly don't care. They pay lip service to the volunteers that keep their program running but then don't listen to them when they raise concerns about things like overworked refs last year or the importance of feedback on the Chairman's presentation.

I skipped the Town Hall meeting because I thought I knew what it would be; More lip service about more open communication. From what I heard, it was worse than that, it was outright disrespect to the people and teams that should be the best representatives that FIRST has.

Frankly, if FIRST continues down this path and all we do is boo at a bad joke during an Einstein that was nearly 2 hours behind schedule, I'll be shocked.

[T^2]

Originally Posted by grstex

In 18 years I've NEVER even heard of booing in FIRST.

You weren't there in 2012, when FIRST tried to ignore the blatant comms failures on Einstein?