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Re: Preparing for the Town Hall Meeting on the New Championships Format
That was going to be my followup question. thanks for the info.
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One point that I still don't see answered is why is this the lowest hanging fruit for making a higher impact "Championship Experience"? It takes a tremendous amount of resources to have a single FIRST Championship, and now they are trying to put on two Championships. That's going to put an incredible amount of stress on the volunteer pool for FRC, and quite frankly I anticipate it is unrealistic that these events will match the inspirational power of the single Championship.
FIRST could stand to do a much better job marketing, televising, and really bringing the Championship experience to many more people by putting together truly professional media coverage. I know they have tried to do this with Einstein the past two years, but something more like the FiM television program would be more ideal for "making it loud". That is such a high production quality program that is fun to watch AND it can captivate even non-FIRST affiliated audiences on a public broadcast. However, FIRST currently has a lower production quality, difficult to find, and low experience webcast that fails to even show a full field view of Einstein matches (there is a whole thread on this...). I have to believe an EXTREMELY well done televised cast would require less resources, reach more people (both within FIRST and outside of FIRST), and "make it loud"er than trying to make 2 Championships happen. I admittedly don't know all of the details, but it just seems to be lower hanging fruit for a bigger FIRST impact in my opinion. Another interesting outcome of the Town Hall is the fact that places aren't going to districts as quickly as FIRST had hoped (...shocker). This is particularly intriguing from my perspective because I look back at where Michigan was in 2009 (based on CD searches) and where New York is in 2015, and it seems to me that districts make as much or more sense in New York now as compared to Michigan when they first went to districts. There's a whole thread on this particular situation, but the resistance to change is a real barrier to FIRST's scale-able growth in the future. |
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I still think the single biggest problem with the championshplit is that the lions share of the inspiration of the championship comes from being able to schmooze with the best teams in the world.
By geographically dividing them, the best don't end up in one place and that necessarily reduces the total impact of the event. Are DCMP's inspiring? Sure, but not as inspiring as WCMP. The championshplit takes WCMP and turns it into 2x something a bit bigger than MICMP. Not only this, but the most inspiring super-elite teams (like 1114, 254, 148, 118, and many many more) build their FRC robots around the goal of winning the championship, and by removing the cohesive goal they strive toward, their impact may be reduced. Its easy to say that HQ is making these decisions to get maximum impact for maximum number of teams (and so getting more teams to a CMP-class event is good), but not if it comes at the cost of watering down the impact of the top teams, because IMO, that's where most of the inspiration comes from. I remember a couple of years ago in 2013 listening to 1114 explaining their reasoning behind Simbot BA Baracus not having a floor pickup. They had built their robot to be the best cycler and 30pt climber, because they knew that 7 disc autos would be prevalent among the top teams, and they wanted to be first pick of the #1 captain. Two 7 disc autos wouldn't help an alliance, but a really fast 30pt climber would. They werent concerned with how to win regionals, but rather, how to win CMP. It made perfect sense. Their plan worked, too. They built a robot to be first pick, and it was. |
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My initial emotional reaction to the two season finale events was intensely negative. After reading a little bit about things, I saw that there really was a problem for a lot of teams, and having two season finales might really be all about offering an affordable experience to more people. A couple of things have happened since then that make me think, though, that they just don't understand the problem. One was the town hall presentation. If they had understood the problem, they never would have led with what they did. It's just a non-starter. It shows that they didn't understand their audience. A second thing was my own championship experience, from a few hundred miles away. When the system for updating the match results went down, they didn't fix it or find an alternative. A way of posting scores and linking to that on a web site is not a major technological challenge in the 21st century, but First didn't seem to think it was important enough to get it done. (As an aside, thank you again, Blue Alliance) It seems almost as if the leadership doesn't understand what they've got. They put together a fantastic backdrop for a fantastic event. Getting everything together, the stadium, the arrangements, the exhibits, the ceremonies, the concerts, that's all fantastic. No doubt such a major undertaking took a huge amount of their time, effort, and resources. I have to wonder if they didn't forget what was the backdrop, and what was the event. Yes, all those things are great, and offering them to more people is a worthy goal, but they're the backdrop. Without the event, they wouldn't be so spectacular. They might even seem out of place. We shall see, I suppose. If they come to understand the problem, I'm sure they'll find a way to make it great. I look forward to helping with a great event in Detroit. For those of you who are afraid of coming to my adopted home town, your fears are misplaced. We hosted a Super Bowl just a few years ago. We can do half of a First Championship, and with 350 teams from Michigan to draw from, there will be the best volunteer staff you could possibly imagine. See you there......Well, half of you, anyway. |
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- They don't have enough volunteers - They don't have enough venues - They don't have enough money These are far more likely assessments. |
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Venues can be shaky. I know Ontario isn't home to the mega-gyms you see even in places like Indiana. Money is an odd complaint. There are startup costs, sure (like buying your own field perimeter, I think FIRST sells the electronics to you directly??? I need to read up) but regionals aren't what one would call a low cost solution. |
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I'm not sure if anyone's posted another version, but I'm grateful that 1640 recorded the hour-long session.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FFh...ature=youtu.be |
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Popcorn's in the microwave. Thanks, 1640.
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I also gotta say, the guy leading the town hall meeting, re-iterating about GP right after Shawn stopped talking, that was pretty dang rude to him. |
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Don't forget when the moderator was rude to Mike Corsetto, after he fairly got back in line after asking his original question: https://youtu.be/8FFhhPlrRvM?t=2892 Last edited by Hallry : 26-04-2015 at 21:15. |
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Their growth expectation of FRC seems absurdly high too. They want 5-10x growth over the next 10 years. I think FRC only doubled over the previous 10. Sounds like they expect FRC to be at 20,000+ teams in 10 years. I sincerely doubt FRC gets past 12,000, if even 10,000.
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Honestly, I would have been okay if the entire Q&A was just 30 minutes of Mike asking questions. |
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