Fastest Possible Canburglar

[RoboChair]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

What about elastic//spring powered? I could see that being much faster.

This guy knows whats up.

[Thad House]

I'll explain when I have a few minutes and not on my cell phone, but we figured out a way to start in the holes legally. It was cheesecaked onto our 4th bot, but since it basically put a robot out of commission it wasn't worth playing in finals. Plus we were not exactly sure if it would be called legal or not, even though it was 100% within the rules and within the field.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I'll explain when I have a few minutes and not on my cell phone, but we figured out a way to start in the holes legally. It was cheesecaked onto our 4th bot, but since it basically put a robot out of commission it wasn't worth playing in finals. Plus we were not exactly sure if it would be called legal or not, even though it was 100% within the rules and within the field.

I heard about this, double checked all the pertinent rules, and then grinned ear to ear. I'll let you post the details, but I was definitely blown away by your creativity.

One interesting aspect of this game is that the canburglar wars didn't really start until the last day of the season (as predicted by many). A side effect of this is that the canburglar rules/corner cases/how rules would be enforced by inspectors and referees were not really tested until Championships. Harpoon guns, crossbows, tennis balls on strings, hundreds of pounds of spring force, loopholes - there was a little of everything.

[Bennett548]

Ha! Nice find! I wish you had done it, it might have led to some interesting and productive discussions regarding lawyering and the assumed intent of the rules.

I asked a head ref about a similar case, and he said that he couldn't rule without seeing it, but said he would probably have asked the team to come back and fix the offending mechanism.

[mintyfresh]

I was definitely surprised by the amount of different mechanisms for grabbing the trashcans that came around after the last day of regionals. I don't know if the judges really expected that onslaught of teams trying to grab the cans in so many different ways and I have no idea what was up to inspection. The coolest thing, I would say, about the canburgler wars at worlds was the fact that it was really the only "defense" in the game this year so it was interesting at certain points to see that play out.

[Ozuru]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I'll explain when I have a few minutes and not on my cell phone, but we figured out a way to start in the holes legally. It was cheesecaked onto our 4th bot, but since it basically put a robot out of commission it wasn't worth playing in finals. Plus we were not exactly sure if it would be called legal or not, even though it was 100% within the rules and within the field.

I'm interested, posting so I can remember to come back later.

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I'll explain when I have a few minutes and not on my cell phone, but we figured out a way to start in the holes legally. It was cheesecaked onto our 4th bot, but since it basically put a robot out of commission it wasn't worth playing in finals. Plus we were not exactly sure if it would be called legal or not, even though it was 100% within the rules and within the field.

I also found a flaw... hope we've found the same

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I'll explain when I have a few minutes and not on my cell phone, but we figured out a way to start in the holes legally. It was cheesecaked onto our 4th bot, but since it basically put a robot out of commission it wasn't worth playing in finals. Plus we were not exactly sure if it would be called legal or not, even though it was 100% within the rules and within the field.

Your interpretation is entirely legal by the rules, and It definitely would have broken the game. Please post pictures when you can. From the descriptions I can only imagine how massive this thing would be.

The real question is do you think you could do all the set-up required in under 60 seconds?

[Lil' Lavery]

<G10> does not require set-up in less than 60 seconds, only that set-up must not cause a significant or repeated delay to starting a match. The 60 section portion in the blue box is simply an example. There is not set time to when a 60 second clock would start, how to distinguish it from regular autonomous set up (which frequently takes longer than 60 seconds), etc.

I am very curious as to how it satisfied <G7> B&C while being within the field borders, though.

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

<G10> does not require set-up in less than 60 seconds, only that set-up must not cause a significant or repeated delay to starting a match. The 60 section portion in the blue box is simply an example. There is not set time to when a 60 second clock would start, how to distinguish it from regular autonomous set up (which frequently takes longer than 60 seconds), etc.

This was often not enforced as intended. Seeing refs standing around kids with stopwatches at events this year looking to peg people was disappointing to say the least.

[BigJ]

FIELD includes the width of the guardrail, and LANDFILL ZONE doesn't include the "and including" wording. That's my guess.

FIELD – a roughly 27 ft. x 54 ft. carpeted area, bounded by and including the GUARDRAILS and ALLIANCE WALLS.

LANDFILL ZONE – the infinitely tall volume bound by the plastic lip of the STEP on the ALLIANCE’S side of the FIELD, the GUARDRAIL on
each side, and the landfill line (excluding the tape).

[Navid Shafa]

Originally Posted by BigJ

FIELD includes the width of the guardrail, and LANDFILL ZONE doesn't include the "and including" wording. That's my guess.

Bingo

[Thad House]

Originally Posted by BigJ

FIELD includes the width of the guardrail, and LANDFILL ZONE doesn't include the "and including" wording. That's my guess.

So the definitions in the rules on pg 9 I believe are much clearer then the glossary. And there was a Q&A stating that the rules overrule the glossary.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by RoboChair

This guy knows whats up.

The only real hindrance would be the speed of your release mechanism. I was imagining a 2-speed gearbox with a set of gears taken out. Use the one remaining ratio to draw back and then shift to where the second ratio would be. #pneumaticquickrealeaseftw

[RoboChair]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

The only real hindrance would be the speed of your release mechanism. I was imagining a 2-speed gearbox with a set of gears taken out. Use the one remaining ratio to draw back and then shift to where the second ratio would be. #pneumaticquickrealeaseftw

We used a crossbow type trigger pulled by a motor. We could only fire once, then we used 2 pistons to release the surgical tubing bundles and had it tensioned to get pulled back up(which it fired against)