900's Championship Cheesecaking Chronicles

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

I do not disrespect your alliance partners at all. I simply struggle with the chosen game strategy.

No, your statement precisely disrespected them, whether it was your intent or not. Frankly I'm tired of seeing both 1923 and 900 have to deal with these slights. There are students on these teams who read these forums and now see people questioning the validity of their position on an alliance. It's both rude and unfair.

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by Karthik

No, your statement precisely disrespected them, whether it was your intent or not. Frankly I'm tired of seeing both 1923 and 900 have to deal with these slights. There are students on these teams who read these forums and now see people questioning the validity of their position on an alliance. It's both rude and unfair.

Very well. I apologize for being/showing/expressing disrespect. It was certainly neither intended nor thought.

Is it okay to disagree or struggle with a chosen game strategy on personal principle?

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

Is it okay to disagree or struggle with a chosen game strategy on personal principle?

Absolutely. But claiming a team doesn't deserve what they have because they didn't use your preferred strategy is what wasn't okay.

Appreciate you clarifying your intent.

[jaustinpage]

Originally Posted by JohnM

Since you guys have one harpoon left, do you guys happen to have the CAD files for it? If so would you guys be willing to share them at all? They would be pretty interesting to look at. Anywise, thanks.

That is a 1114 question, it would be presumptuous of me to post something like that. (Although, in years past, 1114 has posted cad here: http://www.simbotics.org/resources/cad)

[MrJohnston]

I would like to thank you, Karthik, for your lovely and quite gracious personal message.

I know our team will never have as many blue banners as your team nor will we ever build robots as glorious as yours. That does not, however, mean that you have any special authority or some monopoly on integrity.

The question as to whether or not you should have to three robots on a three-team alliance is a good one for discussion. I get it: you think that it's okay to sit the third robot on the sidelines if it helps your team to win. I don't. We disagree. Deal with it.

I do not have any disrespect for your alliance partners and I'm sorry if it came out that way.

[OAXACA]

I think it is amazing what you guys were able to do in just 7 hours. it shows the level of dedication your team and your alliance partners have, I applaud you all for putting in so much hard work. Everyone who worked hard deserves to be recognised for their amount of hard work and passion they put into the robot in 7 hours.

I applaud team 900, team 1923, team 1114 and team 148. You guys all worked hard and you all deserved to be on Einstein.

[pabeekm]

Those who can, how about we all step back for a sec on the jabbing back and forth?

It’s only been two days, everyone needs some time to decompress and of course talk. Let’s just try to limit the crossfire here, and respect everyone’s need to vent; the past week has been intense for all of us. Let’s try not to drag that out.

Please don’t fight!

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

I would like to thank you, Karthik, for your lovely and quite gracious personal message.

I know our team will never have as many blue banners as your team nor will we ever build robots as glorious as yours. That does not, however, mean that you have any special authority or some monopoly on integrity.

The question as to whether or not you should have to three robots on a three-team alliance is a good one for discussion. I get it: you think that it's okay to sit the third robot on the sidelines if it helps your team to win. I don't. We disagree. Deal with it.

I do not have any disrespect for your alliance partners and I'm sorry if it came out that way.

I'm confused. That portion of the discussion was over. What purpose does this post serve if not disrespect?

Dragging one of the most dedicated FIRST mentors on this planet through the mud because you're frustrated about a red dot is absolutely unneccessary. I know Karthik personally - I'd venture to say better than probably anyone on this forum - and I cannot imagine a universe in which he would act in a manner that warrants such a rude public response.

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by pabeekm

Those who can, how about we all step back for a sec on the jabbing back and forth?

It’s only been two days, everyone needs some time to decompress and of course talk. Let’s just try to limit the crossfire here, and respect everyone’s need to vent; the past week has been intense for all of us. Let’s try not to drag that out.

Please don’t fight!

You're absolutely right. As a contributor to the negativity here, I apologize. This thread should be to discuss Team 900's journey at the Championship. Sorry that I derailed the topic. I'm going to do what I should have done long ago, which is to ignore the negativity and celebrate the positivity. Thanks for the reminder.

[Sam Slade]

First off, I want to preference my post by congratulating ALL 4 of the championship winners. It was a great strategy and well within the rules. I have no issues with the strategy.

I understand and support finding ways for any team to contribute more to an alliance. At the Southfield District in Michigan this year, a team took a cardboard trash bin from the event and taped it to their robot for the elimination matches. During the match, they loaded their alliance's remaining noodles in it and drove to the landfill to score points. No one cried "Foul" there, nor should they have. Teams then expanded to sharing can burglars and ramps, again with no one crying "Foul" (that I can remember anyways).

The strategy that this alliance came up with was brilliant. It sounds like it was an amazing experience for all involved. They didn't break any rules, no one was bullied into doing anything, they simply came up with a strategy to try to win.

I am, however, a little concerned with what "cheesecaking" may become. Are we going to continue down this path to the point at which a team simply builds three robots and slaps their partners' numbers on them for the match?Again, I am not accusing anyone of doing anything wrong. I am simply wondering what the future holds.

Again congratulations to ALL 4 of the championship winners. To insinuate that a team does not deserve the championship win as part of the alliance just because they didn't play in a match is absurd. Does a backup quarterback "not deserve" a ring when their team wins a Superbowl? Everyone has their role to fill. That's what makes you a team/alliance.

[Libby K]

Originally Posted by Karthik

You're absolutely right. As a contributor to the negativity here, I apologize. This thread should be to discuss Team 900's journey at the Championship. Sorry that I derailed the topic.

Same. It's done.

900, you rock. We love y'all. Sorry this junk ended up in a thread about your amazing story.

[smurfgirl]

Originally Posted by Sam Slade

To insinuate that a team does not deserve the championship win as part of the alliance just because they didn't play in a match is absurd. Does a backup quarterback "not deserve" a ring when their team wins a Superbowl? Everyone has their role to fill. That's what makes you a team/alliance.

I think that's a great way to look at it.

[marshall]

Originally Posted by Libby K

Same. It's done.

900, you rock. We love y'all. Sorry this junk ended up in a thread about your amazing story.

Awww... We love y'all too.

[MrJohnston]

I made my point and went too far... and worded things less delicately than I should have. For that I apologize. I will consider getting so sleep before posting more.

[cadandcookies]

Originally Posted by marshall

I'll leave you with something I've been pondering. I really want to know why it takes 3 days to build a robot. Our alliance can do it in 7 hours and we can take it to Einstein.

I'm up for a seven hour robot build Not sure how well that would go over with the rest of the 'Snow Problem team though.

Thank you for the incredible read. Your story truly is the stuff of FRC legend. Hopefully we'll see you on Einstein again in coming years!