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Understood! It was a risk vs reward decision.
It could also be said that if 148's auto had worked in just one more SF match it wouldn't have been nearly so close ![]() |
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Yup that is also very true as well
Little things can make a big difference. |
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After all this argument, I am certain there is something we can all agree on.
From the 21-seconds-left noodling of one of 118's stacks to them pushing a piece of litter into the landfill during the last moments of the match, to each and every noodle human players missed or scored, the semifinals, especially semifinal 6, was one of the most stressful, hand-wringing, and emotionally charged moments of my entire high school experience. As a student at the end of my senior year, I can't believe I was part of such an amazing event. I have only gratitude towards all the teams at the event, and I am certain there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other inspired students much like myself. And isn't that the point of this all? Sincerely, to all the teams that challenged me, inspired me, and brought me to tears of joy at the end of it all, Thank you. |
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Seeing the video of the 1114/900 mechanism was quite interesting. We had developed a "counter-counter-cheesecake" to this counter-cheesecake that may have left a mess in both landfills. In the end, we might have left 118 off the field and used 1671 to stack from HP station while 5012 and 900 had can wars.
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Darn it.... now I can't stop imagining an entire counter full of cheesecake.
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I wish 1671 was given some cheesecake, would have been nice to celebrate with some desert lol.
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Meanwhile, 1678 was building and testing a separate cheesecake. This was originally designed to be mounted on top of a robot drive base, but a wooden frame was used as a substitute since 5012 was being cheesecaked at the same time. After the 118-1678-1671-5012 alliance won their division, we started planning the counter-counter-cheesecake against 1114's harpoons. This ultimately led to the wooden frame being the final mounting spot for the cheesecake, and after cutting some weight off of both 5012 and the second cheesecake, the whole assembly (5012+118's "Bane"+1678's tethered cheesecake) was under 120 lbs. It was good to go by Einstein semis, if I recall correctly. |
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A lot has been said. Sorry for not participating in this thread during the day as it progressed. What follows is a long post. Sorry in advance. Skip to the RANT Section if you just want to see an old man yell, "get off my lawn"
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I said horror show, I meant it. I don't say anything about your kids or your team. In fact, while watching Einstein, I leaned over to my son and said, "As much as I think cheesecaking is bad for FIRST, those kids are going to have a story to tell that will be recounted at ever class reunion they have for the next 70 years." That said, the story and it's implications ARE fantastically scary more on that below. Quote:
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That said, I don't know where you have been looking for 15+ years, Libby K, but there are a lot of folks in the FIRST community who might dispute statements revolving around amounts of work done in a day. They worked hard, I am sure. Good on them. Had they done no work at all in St. Louis, my views on the matter would be the same. How much work they did or didn't do have nothing to do with what is good for FIRST in the long term. Now for the rant: I think that FIRST holds a lot of the blame here. Three years ago they allowed all manner of things to be strapped to robots as blockers for full court disk shooters. Last year, the game design almost forced this because it required two good robots (a.k.a. the #1 seed and the first draft pick) to not be able to win unless the last team drafted (a.k.a. the 24th best team at a tourney) did at least SOMETHING that qualified as an "assist". These two years got the cheesecake snowball rolling. But THIS year, this year was something special. FIRST made a game where two good robots could effectively get max points if and only if they won a battle that was over in a literal blink of an eye... ...during Auton. FIRST designed a game where a half a second into the match, not only didn't the best alliances need a third robot, often having a 24th robot around was a liability - having them do something, anything, only cost them points -- it never helped them. Add to this that Alliances get a 4th robot at the World Championships (not FIRST's best idea imho) and you have a recipe for the Harpoon Bot. It was going to happen. I think this is bad for FIRST. Not illegal. Not immoral. Just not want we want more of. FIRST should take steps to make it clear that this is not something it supports both in terms of rules and expectations. Dr. Joe J. |
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This is truly amazing. I've always been a fan of how 900 build their robots, and how they take the same challenge we do, and yet approach it with a radically different design approach. Last year, we faced 900 in the elims at NC, and only barely lost to their ingenious (yet annoying at the time -- kidding, you know we love you) strategy. This year, we somehow managed to snag them as the second round pick on the #1 alliance at NC and together won a regional. Their determination to fix a but midway through the Semis was amazing, and without them we could not have won the regional.
Seeing such an amazing turn of events on Saturday at Champs this year was incredible. Building a robot from scratch in only 7 hours is truly inspirational, and just from looking at the pits from afar it was clear that the students on 900 and 1114 combined are some of the most dedicated. I'm in awe of what was accomplished in such a short amount of time, and look forward to seeing the robot in action in the future (THOR and SCRIW tethered to Go Big?? Please??). I've long been a fan of 1114 and 900, and this incredible combination of teams to create a unique solution to a hard problem is amazing. I congratulate you on what you did, and can't wait to work with 900 again in the coming years as NC goes district for 2016. ---- Now, as a completely separate topic, I personally do not like that this year's game lent itself to this kind of tactic -- designing a robot from scratch in only a day just for Einstein. It's an amazing feat, but not one I feel FIRST should be going for. This is no fault of 900 or 1114 or any other team who "cheesecaked" another robot, merely a fault of a game where doing something like this could give your alliance such a leg up. We may well have done the same thing had we been in 900's shoes, but I'm not sure this is exactly what FIRST wants to promote in the coming years through their game design. |
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And thank you for the kind words about my students. They definitely have a story to tell. |
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