Robots vs. Humans

[AlexC]

Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox

We've considered this one extensively:

2015 - Robots win. Humans lose canburglar battles and can't carry many big, heavy game pieces at once.

2014 - Robots win. Humans are good at catching but have fragile ankles.

2013 - Humans win (maybe). Humans have no problem with the pyramid, but can't throw frisbees as fast or accurately as good robots.

2012 - Humans win. Humans can balance and shoot baskets no problem.

2011 - Robots win. Humans are short and lack minibots.

2010 - Humans win. Humans can control a soccer ball.

2009 - Robots win. Humans can't store many game pieces or easily pull a trailer.

2008 - Humans win. A human can run around the track and throw the trackball quickly.

I don't know enough about older games to evaluate human performance.

At first I would have said humans for 2014. Humans would break many bones though so I have to agree.

[Ali Ahmed]

This would a fantastic match to see at various off-season events. Just remember your safety glasses. One question though, would humans be allowed to catch thrown litter and throw it back?

Either way, I feel that humans would win due to speed. 3 humans could work together to make a capped 6 stack at a time in under 10 seconds. That's 13 stacks.

Off topic: From my experience to add to The President of the Universe's post

2005: Robots win. Humans would have trouble capping large stacks, especially the center goal

2004: Humans win. Hanging would be a problem for humans, unless you got some tall people. Capping would be simple for a human to do but herding would be more difficult. Since humans players were the primary scorers any way, humans have the advantage.

2003: Humans would win, because they could make a stack and protect it fairly easily. The king-of-the-hill though, I want to say humans but there were some powerful robots with low CoGs in that game.

2002: Humans by far...unless they're up against 71, then the Beast would take it.

[Dragonking]

2015 would actually be pretty close. It shouldn't be that difficult for humans to score every tote on the field during the match so they would still be able to put up massive scores even if robots got all 4 cans every match.

20 + 8 + 4 = 32 auto points should be really easy to do for humans
3 cans + 18 totes +3 noodles = 3 x 42 = 126 points also relatively easy to do for humans
52 remaining totes = 104 points humans should be able to consistently get all the totes on the field scored including upside down and totes on the step
a good noodle thrower should be able to score 5 of the seven remaining noodles = 20 points
Total = 282 points scored by humans consistently which so far would beat most robot alliances if multiple matches where played

If someone is willing to sacrifice their body and is insanely quick a person may be able to win a can which would then pretty much guarantee victory for humans.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by AlexC

At first I would have said humans for 2014. Humans would break many bones though so I have to agree.

If it's full contact I think robots may take it every year. No way in heck I'm getting in front of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRNXECDS2o

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by ali_rockon22

2003: Humans would win, because they could make a stack and protect it fairly easily. The king-of-the-hill though, I want to say humans but there were some powerful robots with low CoGs in that game.

However, I bet some humans would run towards a stack as the time ran out so they would drift into it and knock it down

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox

We've considered this one extensively:

2015 - Robots win. Humans lose canburglar battles and can't carry many big, heavy game pieces at once.

2014 - Robots win. Humans are good at catching but have fragile ankles.

2013 - Humans win (maybe). Humans have no problem with the pyramid, but can't throw frisbees as fast or accurately as good robots.

2012 - Humans win. Humans can balance and shoot baskets no problem.

2011 - Robots win. Humans are short and lack minibots.

2010 - Humans win. Humans can control a soccer ball.

2009 - Robots win. Humans can't store many game pieces or easily pull a trailer.

2008 - Humans win. A human can run around the track and throw the trackball quickly.

I don't know enough about older games to evaluate human performance.

Whats interesting is how differently the humans would play the game than the robots each year.

2015: Humans would likely build stacks, then cap them unlike most teams in 2015 who build a stack underneath a container.

2014: Humans would often opt for truss/catch maneuvers instead of trussing to HP, and they would finish from up close unlike many other robots.

2013: Humans would be able to basically dunk 4 discs into the 2-pt goal easily, and some would be able to do the same for the 3-pt goal. Humans could easily climb the pyramid and dump colored discs, as well as block the robot's full-court shooters with ease.

2012: Humans would dunk, but balancing might be hard for three humans, as all three would be constantly moving their body weight around.

2011: Humans don't have minibots, but could otherwise easily fill up all scoring slots

2010: Humans would crush at this game, and could hang from or climb onto the tunnels with ease.

2009: I don't even wanna think about this one.

2008: Humans could hurdle the ball and catch it with ease and do far more laps than most robots.

[Georges]

Either way, I think it would be hilarious to watch a "match" played by humans this year.

[GreyingJay]

I wish they had thought of doing this as an exhibition match during a break sometime during champs.

Too bad our team practice field has to be dismantled soon. This would have been fun to try.

[Ichlieberoboter]

Originally Posted by themccannman

If it's full contact I think robots may take it every year. No way in heck I'm getting in front of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRNXECDS2o

Mr. McCan makes an excellent point.

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Whats interesting is how differently the humans would play the game than the robots each year.

2015: Humans would likely build stacks, then cap them unlike most teams in 2015 who build a stack underneath a container.

2014: Humans would often opt for truss/catch maneuvers instead of trussing to HP, and they would finish from up close unlike many other robots.

2013: Humans would be able to basically dunk 4 discs into the 2-pt goal easily, and some would be able to do the same for the 3-pt goal. Humans could easily climb the pyramid and dump colored discs, as well as block the robot's full-court shooters with ease.

2012: Humans would dunk, but balancing might be hard for three humans, as all three would be constantly moving their body weight around.

2011: Humans don't have minibots, but could otherwise easily fill up all scoring slots

2010: Humans would crush at this game, and could hang from or climb onto the tunnels with ease.

2009: I don't even wanna think about this one.

2008: Humans could hurdle the ball and catch it with ease and do far more laps than most robots.

I have to disagree with 2008, I think some robots could go much faster than humans. Plus, I think a lot of the humans would end up getting trampled.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Ichlieberoboter

I have to disagree with 2008, I think some robots could go much faster than humans. Plus, I think a lot of the humans would end up getting trampled.

Ignoring the trampled aspect, I think humans would win. They're not going to outrace the robots, but they sure could outhurdle them. I remember doing a lot of creative maneuvers involving passing the ball with humans while simulating that game early that build season. Ultimately they didn't materialize in the robot world, but they would present a massive advantage for a human alliance.

[Oromus]

This has made me remember how much I want an off-season competition where people bring humans to play the game instead of robots.

[Glacier]

Originally Posted by 1493kd

Every year I often wonder could elite teams beat humans in the game? Safety aside I think humans could win the majority of the time. Only ones in my time that I think robots could win would be Ultimate Ascent (full court shooters give robot advantage, and Logomotion just based on need to be tall)

Well one advantage this this years game is the lack of defense and alliances being seperated. Id love to see some offseason events in which the game was played with 3 robots vs 3 humans. Humans can bring their own canbuglers and even attempt to win that battle. I think it would be very entertaining and possibly a pretty close match.

Honestly in response to the idea of an off-season game consisting of 3 Humans vs 3 Robots would be great. I was on field reset for 2 regionals and at champs, the idea was constantly rolling around in my head and I think that for all the people who want to see a Human vs Robot competition happen I think someone should set one up. Would be very cool and truly interesting to watch the robots try to match us Humans.... Hahahaha

[asid61]

I think in general the top teams do consistently better than humans at any game. 2014 would probably be the exception. 2013, no way- few humans can throw it into the slot as consistently and accuratly as a robot IMO, although the 30 point climb could offset it.
2008 could be tricky for humans due to the sheer size of the ball.
Recycle Rush is the perfect time for humans to play against robots (minus can grabbers). A game with no defense to test their stacking prowess without risk of injury.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Glacier

Honestly in response to the idea of an off-season game consisting of 3 Humans vs 3 Robots would be great. I was on field reset for 2 regionals and at champs, the idea was constantly rolling around in my head and I think that for all the people who want to see a Human vs Robot competition happen I think someone should set one up. Would be very cool and truly interesting to watch the robots try to match us Humans.... Hahahaha

Actually, that's possible this year. I've been at events that used half of the field for robot practice while the other half was used for humans...

Challenge: Humans vs Robots. 3 robots vs 3 humans. Standard human player setup behind the wall for both sides. No returning noodles, each alliance is assigned 2 cans from the step.

I'm willing to bet that the humans would give the robots a run for their money--the humans could "airmail" totes to each other.

[artK]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

2013: Humans would be able to basically dunk 4 discs into the 2-pt goal easily, and some would be able to do the same for the 3-pt goal. Humans could easily climb the pyramid and dump colored discs, as well as block the robot's full-court shooters with ease.

That sounds painful. Really painful. I would not want to be the defensive man on that alliance.

Originally Posted by themccannman

If it's full contact I think robots may take it every year. No way in heck I'm getting in front of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRNXECDS2o

Didn't need to click the link to guess what this was.

Back to the original topic, one of my questions for a version with this game: Can people have (unpowered) ramps? Because some people felt it was a bit cheap to use a ramp tethered to a robot to help them score, would humans have the same freedom?

And could humans join #teamtether?