900's Championship Cheesecaking Chronicles

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Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

THIS IS AN AWESOME QUESTION!

I was going to ask something very similar sometime today when I got few minutes to spare.

Let's suppose 148 had prepared a Harpoon2.0 Bot prior to Championships and that 1114 was incompatible with 148 for some reason and let's suppose further that 900 had approached 148 rather than 1114. Recall that 148 was the #1 seed and 1114 was #2 (behind 148 by a grand total of 7 points -- had they simply tossed two more noodles over the step at some point during 10 qualification matches, their positions would have flipped).

In this situation you have to ask, What Would Karthik Do?

I think we all know this answer: He would advocate for drafting 900 as their second pick just to prevent 148 from getting access to Harpoon2.0 Bot.

What would 900 do then? If they accept, 148 almost certainly would not have allowed Harpoon2.0 Bot to exist at all (recall key bits of kit were designed and built by folks not on Team 900). If they refuse, then their season is over. It is tough ethical choice.

Either way, this really puts the lie to argument that many cheesecaking advocates make: that it is all done in the spirit of Gracious Professionalism. I think one of the features of the draft is that all teams are available for all drafters (with the exception of those who decide they would prefer to captain their own alliance) but in this case, 900 was really only available for one team, no other drafters allowed.

I don't like it. No sir. I don't like it one bit.

Dr. Joe J.

P.S. It has come to my attention that a lot of folks are giving Libby K and others who have said supportive things about Team 900 a hard time over the past few days.

I myself called Libby out for an innocent hyperbole she made about the amount of work Team 900 did. I was wrong to do so. This was a cheap shot and I should have been a better man. I publicly apologize and wish that I could take it back. Libby, I am sorry.

As to you other trolls... ...you need to look in the mirror a bit as well. If there is not space on CD for someone as awesome as Libby to express her thoughts then CD has fallen mightily. We are better than that. JJ

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Our team was faced w/ the same possibillities earlier in the season at the Las Vegas Regional...I am not a part of the process of Alliance picking on our team and actually was working for FIRST NV at the time (so had no team input), but had a discussion in total hindsight after the event was completed, so the opinion expressed was just my opinion of what I would have suggested, if I were involved in the picking process, for future team reference only.

The situation:

Team 148 and Team 987 were of course on a mission to both prove a point concerning the Dallas Decision. And of course on a mission to capture another title and set of blue banners like any great 2 teams should. They 148 and 987 were seeded #1 & #2...Our team was seeded #3. They started cheesecaking the #41 seeded team early on, and it was duly noted by one of our newer drive team members, and he didn't like the situation personally very much...It was explained to him that it was well within the rules of the game as a game strategic legal method. (In a "Hate the game, not the players!" type of way).

Asked what I would have suggested they do (as far as hindsight, after #1 seeded 148, picked #2 seeded 987), I responded that I would have certainly picked the same as they did on their first choice, then on second choice w/ only moments to go, picked their fully cheesecaked #2 pick. Thereby leaving them to make the tough choice of risking asking for their sweet cheesecake back (which I don't think would happen by either highly respected team), and thereby give them little time to cheesecake another...(though I know they would have), along w/ much fewer legal materials actually onsight to actually do so (though I'm sure they still would have had plenty of materials avail. to do so also), and much less of that even more valuable time avail. to complete the new cheesecaking mission. (Hey, what's good for the Goose, is Great for the Gander! And that Gander LOVES CHEESECAKE TOO!)

I'm glad they didn't do so, and actually picked another team (as all 6 of the eventual Regional Alliance members qualified eventually for Champs by either major awards earned, or by just playing in the finals of the playoffs of that Regional)...But, as a game strategist and very highly competitive by nature...I'll use every fully legal tactic and that rulebook, to win the game...And...You should too! IF DEEMED LEGAL like eventually this year).

But it wasn't how the season actually started off (I had earlier pointed that out once it was done when I thought by the posted rules it wasn't legal to do so in Week #1, and the Q&A original answer verified that, then minds were changed by the eventual uproar, and the Q&A answer was rethought)...That is the real dilemma, and the OP's actual original question elsewhere & pointing to this thread...Should it be legal?

I would have LEGALLY stolen & eaten their sweet cheesecake...And then smiled big, & told them their extremely hard work baking it, was very highly appreciated, and it tastes Soo Darned GOOD TOO! Thank You's, With Smiles All Around.
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I was just hoping someone was actually selling slices of cheesecake at champs this year...I would have gladly purchased more than a few slices myself.

One thing I'd still like to know though, is in the very same Division (Hopper)...I saw most tethered ramps had their Team # license plates fully and proudly displayed...and others...well, they had no license plates at all...And in the Division Playoffs no less.

When I pointed out 1 that had ZERO TEAM NUMBER DISPLAYED...A ref responded...You will have to discuss that w/ the inspectors I guess (who were located in a different building BTW)... That is definitely BIG TIME WRONG in my opinion. It is either legal on the field of play, or IT ISN'T. (The rules are Black writing on White Paper or background)....No grey (gray), appears in the rulebook to me. And it should not to you. (Though there are Blue Boxes).