Robots vs. Humans

[planetbrilliant]

Originally Posted by ArtemusMaximus

You can't apply all rules the same way to humans as it applies to robots. If you do, then yes robots will win as all humans wouldn't pass the inspection. That would defeat the purpose of the debate.

I feel like humans would still have an inspection but different rules to follow than the robots. Higher weight limit, looser size rules etc

I also feel like, in most any game with defense, unless we gave the humans like some sort of armor or guards to wear (especially like shin guards), the robots would win because who would willingly try to play defense on a 120 pound chunk of metal and pvc pipe

[GreyingJay]

Originally Posted by ArtemusMaximus

You can't apply all rules the same way to humans as it applies to robots. If you do, then yes robots will win as all humans wouldn't pass the inspection. That would defeat the purpose of the debate.

I think it could still work and be fun.

120 pounds implies a smaller student, perhaps a freshman or sophomore, girls will be lighter and statistically smaller than guys.

You'd have to fit within the transport configuration (not a problem, just fold up), and maximum height restriction (again, probably not a problem for a 120 pound human).

Somebody please make this happen!

[ArtemusMaximus]

Originally Posted by GreyingJay

I think it could still work and be fun.

120 pounds implies a smaller student, perhaps a freshman or sophomore, girls will be lighter and statistically smaller than guys.

You'd have to fit within the transport configuration (not a problem, just fold up), and maximum height restriction (again, probably not a problem for a 120 pound human).

Somebody please make this happen!

Then title needs to change to "Robots vs. Small Humans"

[philso]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

my question is, how would the canburglaring battles go? I wouldnt go near those

Originally Posted by ArtemusMaximus

Humans can use broom sticks

With how most of the canburglar mechanisms work, the human player only needs to hit the RC and displace it by a few inches or knock it over and the canburglar mechanism would fail. The human player can then reach over the landfill totes and retrieve the RC's. The robots would have to become much more sophisticated to overcome strategies like this.

[ArtemusMaximus]

Originally Posted by philso

With how most of the canburglar mechanisms work, the human player only needs to hit the RC and displace it by a few inches or knock it over and the canburglar mechanism would fail. The human player can then reach over the landfill totes and retrieve the RC's. The robots would have to become much more sophisticated to overcome strategies like this.

Exactly my point.

In a simple battle (without applying petty robot rules to humans) of Humans vs FRC Robots, Humans will win.

[Darkseer54]

Originally Posted by ArtemusMaximus

You can't apply all rules the same way to humans as it applies to robots. If you do, then yes robots will win as all humans wouldn't pass the inspection. That would defeat the purpose of the debate.

Of course robots would win if all the rules applied. I am yet to meet a 6 week old child that can stack totes up to 6 feet high, or throw a ball or Frisbee 10 feet high.

[FrankJ]

Sort of reminds me of the ballad of John Henry verses the steam drill.

[GreyingJay]

Originally Posted by philso

With how most of the canburglar mechanisms work, the human player only needs to hit the RC and displace it by a few inches or knock it over and the canburglar mechanism would fail.

Originally Posted by ArtemusMaximus

Exactly my point.

In a simple battle (without applying petty robot rules to humans) of Humans vs FRC Robots, Humans will win.

Except again there is the question of speed.

In the 0.2 seconds average human reaction time it would take you to respond to the starting signal, plus the time for you to lunge forward to swat at the can, it could already be on its way to the other alliance's side if you were facing off against one of the fastest canburglars.

[Sperkowsky]

I talked to some of my teamates and we are going to seriously consider an offseason event like this. We have to work out a ton of logistics and Im not sure if its really feasible but we will try. The only other off season competition near us is full normal rules and we are also closer to nyc. Now we shall seen whether our mentor, school board, and team resources allow us to do this.

[ArtemusMaximus]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

I talked to some of my teamates and we are going to seriously consider an offseason event like this. We have to work out a ton of logistics and Im not sure if its really feasible but we will try. The only other off season competition near us is full normal rules and we are also closer to nyc. Now we shall seen whether our mentor, school board, and team resources allow us to do this.

As I mentioned before, if you do try, please do good video of it.
I totally want to see the real attempt to resolve this debate

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by ArtemusMaximus

As I mentioned before, if you do try, please do good video of it.
I totally want to see the real attempt to resolve this debate

I'm a videographer. I could shoot and stream 4k but due to latency with the crappy school network I'll run at 1080p. I'm most likely going to set up a few go pros. Have a tripod still setup and a shoulder rig setup.

I talked to my team and they Said go for it. We are now in the research phase. I'm going to start a full thread later. We have never done something like this so we have to really discuss what to do in depth.

We have to also make some restrictions for humans. One they can't go into the landfill during auto mode and they are not allowed to get the recycling cans off the step. They also are not allowed to do autonomous. We will do some tests but we think in the higher level matches the robots could give the human players a run for their money.

[ArtemusMaximus]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

I'm a videographer. I could shoot and stream 4k but due to latency with the crappy school network I'll run at 1080p. I'm most likely going to set up a few go pros. Have a tripod still setup and a shoulder rig setup.

I talked to my team and they Said go for it. We are now in the research phase. I'm going to start a full thread later. We have never done something like this so we have to really discuss what to do in depth.

We have to also make some restrictions for humans. One they can't go into the landfill during auto mode and they are not allowed to get the recycling cans off the step. They also are not allowed to do autonomous. We will do some tests but we think in the higher level matches the robots could give the human players a run for their money.

At present time I don't think it's even feasible to stream at 4K. But having video mixed in Post and loaded on UTube would be great.

I understand some limitations that would be placed on team of humans, but I'd hate to see over crippling. If many of mentioned limitations for human team are implemented (some of them I understand are for safety reasons), then I think it will be fair to provide them with more totes on the field, plus more tote supply off the field, as I suspect that well organized team can do more than 10-12 stacks, especially if number of cans is limited for them. Also may be even bonus points for filling up steps with tote-stacks completely.

Definitely start a thread to get ideas and to sort out logistics.

[Dr. Shocker]

Originally Posted by Darkseer54

Of course robots would win if all the rules applied. I am yet to meet a 6 week old child that can stack totes up to 6 feet high, or throw a ball or Frisbee 10 feet high.

Keep in mind, you can not START building your human until the first day of build season. In addition, at the end of build season you must bag your human, only to be released for competitions.

[Darkseer54]

Originally Posted by Dr. Shocker

Keep in mind, you can not START building your human until the first day of build season. In addition, at the end of build season you must bag your human, only to be released for competitions.

Ah! Your right. I was thinking about using some prefabricated parts. Thanks for reminding me.

[FrankJ]

Originally Posted by Dr. Shocker

Keep in mind, you can not START building your human until the first day of build season. In addition, at the end of build season you must bag your human, only to be released for competitions.

While you can build a human fairly quickly, it takes about 9 months to fully develop. So much for the six week build.