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Re: Proposal for the 2 Championship format

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Originally Posted by scottandme View Post
Well, that happens in many high school sports. Some schools are perpetually competitive, and stay in the top division, with the bottom of the division(s) experiencing more "churn" as teams rise and fall. [..]
Who do you think makes up the "churn" at Champs in the current qualification system? Pretty much all the teams that the OP proposed moving to the "B" champs.
That's not exactly what I'm getting at here. As a whole, the number of sports teams stays the same, right? (Barring any school closings or openings or suspensions and all.) And between any two random years, the skill levels ain't gonna change all that much, right? Barring some random luck of getting a superstar on a low-level team, of course.

Not in FRC. Not only does the number of teams vary year-to-year, but the skill levels of those teams can change radically. Example: 330, from 2005 to 2007. 1 regional and world champs in 2005, didn't get closer than finalist to anything in 2006 (and didn't get picked for CMP elims), back on Einstein with two regional wins in 2007. If you went promotion/relegation, they'd be in Premier in 2006 and in Challenger in 2007, when you could sure argue the reverse ought to be true. This isn't the only team I can think of...

You HAVE TO have a mechanism for dealing with "improper relegation" here. I haven't heard ANYBODY say ANYTHING about it, which is why I keep bringing it up. In sports you've got the entire previous season's body of work, including the championship (if any) determining relegation/promotion. In FRC, you've got the current season's up to Championship and the previous Championship--sounds a bit off, no? Gary nailed it. Scandall got where I think this is going, long-term--the super-regional model isn't dead, just dormant for another 5 years.

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Well, all the "reducing costs" talking points are already pretty weak. The team distribution doesn't support the current venue choices. There are too many teams in the Northeast, and not nearly enough near Texas. Circles are 150, 300, and 600 mile. Blue goes to Houston, Red goes to Detroit. There are already going to be a lot of teams closer to Detroit being assigned to Houston.
My point wasn't necessarily that that was the case, but rather that one of FIRST's stated items was to reduce team travel costs. If you're a Detroit team and get assigned to Houston because you're a "Challenger" team (and "Challenger" is in Houston, rather than being assigned to Detroit based on distance, FIRST looks an awful lot like a bunch of liars, no? I mean, unless they offer to pay your travel down there, which I highly doubt they'd do. Being on the west coast, let's just say that for us out here it's kind of irrelevant, we have to fly anyways, so I'm really hoping that Salt Lake City is being talked to now about 2021...
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