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Unread 17-03-2003, 14:56
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Earlier when I posted I had the wrong impression. I thought the petition was against the 2 times the losers score plus your own. I didn't know about matches being fixed at regionals. I know our team will not do that at competition, I promise you that much. I just mistook this petition as against getting rid of the gracious professionalism, sorry about that
Actually I am all for getting rid of that rule because that is what is causing all of this mess.
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Unread 17-03-2003, 15:03
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On Behalf of Team 151 (The Wild Cards) We will not, Propose or accecpt and of these such " gentlemens agreements" This is not in the spirt of the competion, and we will not do it.
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Unread 17-03-2003, 15:07
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I haven't had a chance to talk to my fellow teammates about this subject yet but I do know that it has come up in the past, and it is strongly condemned by us. Teams, talk to all your members especially the drivers, make sure no one confronts other teams about this. Students that confront others to fix a match have a tendancy to get a very bad reputation for their team. Remember students, your not just a builder, driver, human player, co-pilot, strategist, scout, or any other position, your an ambassador for your team, any wrongs you commit, your team commits.
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" Oh, and WakeZero, since you stated team 1011 "have not and will not fix matches," you are one of the two teams during the regional whose drivers approached us to do this collusion, which we flatly rejected."

If our driver approached you about this, I apologize. He's young and those around him should have shown better judgement. I hadn't heard anything about these "agreements" until after we got home on Sunday. But as a parent on Team 1011, I will say that this practice does not reflect what we want our team to stand for nor is this behavior something I want my kids to learn from FIRST or anywhere else for that matter. I assure you it will be brought up at our next team meeting.
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I will sign the petetion at Great Lakes and, as I've expressed in the arguement threads, I am strongly against the fixing of matches.

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Unread 17-03-2003, 16:23
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It seems that whenever there is a problem somebody breaks out a petition.

The fact is that if some team attempts to throw a match the best way to discourage it is to LOUDLY and openly state in no uncertain terms that you will not tolerate it and that they have ruined any chances of being your chosen alliance partner in the future.

(BTW- that means forever for me)

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Unread 17-03-2003, 16:39
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Oh, and WakeZero, since you stated team 1011 "have not and will not fix matches," you are one of the two teams during the regional whose drivers approached us to do this collusion, which we flatly rejected.
In that case, thank you WakeZero for showing your true FIRST spirit and agreeing to put an end to these collusions between teams! That took guts, and sometimes admitting you are wrong is the hardest of all to do.
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Unread 17-03-2003, 17:19
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Although my team thinks differently, I, personally, will sign this petition against collusiuons.
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Unread 17-03-2003, 18:13
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On behalf of team 157 (aztechs), we will not fix any matches. Not only is it plain stupid, but never doubt your robot. On Saturday, at the UTC Hartford, we went from 27th place in the morning, to winning the Regional. Always believe in your team.. don't go around cheating.
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---696 agrees---

On behalf of Team #696, The Circuit Breakers, I acknowledge that we have not and we will not engage in points fixing and/or collusion, and we have played and will play all of our matches graciously and professionally using only our own abilities and those of our robot, Heather. This decision is based on the general consent of our robotics team by the authority of our Team Council, where the vote passed 4-0, with one member absent.

Thank you!

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Unread 17-03-2003, 18:37
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On behalf of team number 648, QC Elite, I have signed your petition. This against FIRST's intentions and is not an act of gracious professionalism. I say let the robots duel and who ever wins, wins.
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Unread 17-03-2003, 18:38
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In that case, thank you WakeZero for showing your true FIRST spirit and agreeing to put an end to these collusions between teams! That took guts, and sometimes admitting you are wrong is the hardest of all to do.
It was a misunderstanding in the first place. When our drivers got back from talking to the other team, our coach Eric made sure they understood why 'fixing' matches wasn't in the spirit of FIRST. They now understand, we just didn't think to go over this dilemma with them before hand
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Bring it up at the team forum if you dislike it so much
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Bring it up at the team forum if you dislike it so much
Thank you.

These petitions really don't solve anything, and are an unproductive waste of time.

If you want something done about it, bring it up at the team forum, or to FIRST directly - complaining here won't help you.

If people are going to make agreements, this thread, this forum, your team, my team, Dean Kamen, or George Bush won't make a single difference. They will do it anyway.

I suggest everyone calm down, and make yor own decisions on how you want to play the game. I know my team will play the game to the fullest strategic ability we can, but I am not going to spew rhetoric to other teams in an attempt to enforce MY code of conduct onto other people.

This thread, and others like it, don't serve any purpose. The power to draw a line between what is wrong and what is right is vested soley in the individual. Anyone that thinks it is their duty to be a moral paladin, holding aloft the banners of Gracious Professionalism, needs to get a reality check. Complaining and agreeing with eachother here makes little difference out there.

(Oh, and a little FYI: if you don't like the way those teams that rig matches operate, don't select them as alliance partners, that will get your message across in a tangible manner)


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Unread 17-03-2003, 19:25
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Thank you.

These petitions really don't solve anything, and are an unproductive waste of time.

If you want something done about it, bring it up at the team forum, or to FIRST directly - complaining here won't help you.
Hi Ben,

Actually that is exactly what I and others did do at the Arizona Regional. One of our engineers and I spoke to Jason Morella and the head referee for 1/2 an hour. They told us that FIRST pays attention to this forum and to bring up the matter here.

What I got is that it is hard for FIRST to make changes based on a few teams, but if 500 teams want something handled it, it will be noticed. So that is what we are doing here.

Personally I do not want a repeat of pre-match agreements between teams at the S. Calif. Regional or at the Championship. Also quite honestly our team is in debt now. We want to go to the championships but wouldn't go through the massive effort to get the money if this isn't resolved. We didn't go to Arizona for a 4 team cooperative competition, and we went through quite a lot to try to sort it out.

The truth is, this issue just needs to be a matter of what is expected by FIRST without a huge rule change or anything of that nature. However that has not occurred so I am doing what FIRST told us to do--bringing it to this forum.
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