State Power Alliances 2015

[JohnChristensen]

Originally Posted by ice.berg

OR we could give our can burglars to someone else....

Please tell me you have been keeping that Cheesecake refrigerated... It would be a little rancid by now otherwise.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Rachel Lim

This isn't any easier than the top 5 teams from your state...

		Regular			IRI/CC Rule Changes
NorCal		254, 1678, 971		254, 1678, 1671
SoCal		3476, 973, 1717/3309	3476, 973, 1717/3309
All		254, 1678, 973		254, 1678, 1671/3476

Notes:
1. I'm assuming 254 could do LF only if they wanted (as far as I know, they never have, but I'm also pretty sure 1678/971/1671/3476 do HP only).
2. I still cannot figure out if 973 counts as northern or southern CA--they're basically right between San Jose and LA.
3. For 3476+973+1717/3309, I'm assuming 973 does HP, but for 254+1678+973 I'm assuming they do LF.

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1. 254 was 100% LF at CVR. They added a ramp at SVR. We ran with 254 like we did with 118. It's a tough choice between 1671 and 971 (and now you can see why we were so happy to get 1671.)
2. Put 973 wherever you want--they do that already!

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

1. 254 was 100% LF at CVR. They added a ramp at SVR. We ran with 254 like we did with 118. It's a tough choice between 1671 and 971 (and now you can see why we were so happy to get 1671.)
2. Put 973 wherever you want--they do that already!

You might want to re-watch CVR.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by logank013

Indiana would probably be 234 or 135 and 1024 at HP. Then landfill would probably be 1720 or 71. Maybe even 1741 at landfill too. My thoughts would be 234-1024-1720

I just dont know about 1720 and 71. Both are EXCEPTIONAL landfill bots, but if you look at stacking ability at worlds, I think 1741 out-stacked both of them (Newton QF5 especially)

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

1. 254 was 100% LF at CVR. They added a ramp at SVR. We ran with 254 like we did with 118. It's a tough choice between 1671 and 971 (and now you can see why we were so happy to get 1671.)
2. Put 973 wherever you want--they do that already!

I thought 254 fed almost exclusively from the human player at CVR, using their old intake system.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by Lij2015

Virginia runs into a huge problem in that we have no real can burglars... But if that's not a problem somehow then 2363 on the landfill and we can get cans off in tele-op (this isn't optimal but we have no landfill bots that cap their own stacks), 384 and 623 on the human player stations.

I'd imagine it would be an issue. Though there are a few possible options here:

1086: IMO best landfill bot in Virginia. Especially as time progressed, their drivers (only juniors btw), improved significantly and can now do at least three four or five stacks, depending on their partners.

2363/384: Although I would take 2363 just based on more driver experience this year (Chesapeake), both teams are interchangeable and highly effective at making capped six stacks.

1885/540 That's where the VA canburglars are. Although I haven't seen enough matches to truly gauge their effectiveness, I know that they made the playoffs in Carson and did well at Pittsburgh and Greater DC. They can cap 1086's stacks and clean up the cans 2363/384 doesn't use. 540 only has a one canburglar unfortunately, but we can also quickly grab cans off the step and cap stacks during tele-op as well.

You're right that the state does lack major canburglar power though. However, there are multiple options for a powerful alliance.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

I thought 254 fed almost exclusively from the human player at CVR, using their old intake system.

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

You might want to re-watch CVR.

You're right, I had it backwards. 254 added the LF capability at SVR and a ramp.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

I just dont know about 1720 and 71. Both are EXCEPTIONAL landfill bots, but if you look at stacking ability at worlds, I think 1741 out-stacked both of them (Newton QF5 especially)

I didn't see 1741, 1720, or 71 at worlds (more than maybe a passing glance), but here's my take:

At ISC, I think personally 1720 was the best, but 71 was a little more consistent (probably why they were picked by 3rd seed 1501). 1741 was definitely the best at getting cans from the step accurately with the claw. As far as worlds goes, it looks like 1720 had the edge again given that they had the highest average of the three teams and seeded 6th in Newton (same division as 1741). For these reasons I feel like 1720 would be the best fit for an Indiana alliance, but that being said I did not see the teams enough at worlds to make the best judgment.

[evanperryg]

For IL:
2481/1756/2451: 2481 is an incredible landfill bot, 1756 has a very consistent 20pt auto and ramp loads 3 6 stacks (sometimes a 7 ) and 2451's energy chain can pullers and ramp-less feeder stacking rounds out the alliance well.
MI, just my speculation:
A 1023/548/503 alliance would have 2 of the fastest can pullers in the world, which helps. 503 handles landfill while 1023 and 548 do their thing. 503 would fight the can wars- the fishing line thing is too useful to let it go to waste (see Archimedes SF2).

[Lij2015]

Originally Posted by TDav540

I'd imagine it would be an issue. Though there are a few possible options here:

1086: IMO best landfill bot in Virginia. Especially as time progressed, their drivers (only juniors btw), improved significantly and can now do at least three four or five stacks, depending on their partners.

2363/384: Although I would take 2363 just based on more driver experience this year (Chesapeake), both teams are interchangeable and highly effective at making capped six stacks.

1885/540 That's where the VA canburglars are. Although I haven't seen enough matches to truly gauge their effectiveness, I know that they made the playoffs in Carson and did well at Pittsburgh and Greater DC. They can cap 1086's stacks and clean up the cans 2363/384 doesn't use. 540 only has a one canburglar unfortunately, but we can also quickly grab cans off the step and cap stacks during tele-op as well.

You're right that the state does lack major canburglar power though. Multiple options for a powerful alliance though.

Whoops, I forgot about 1885 since i haven't seen them this year

[MaGiC_PiKaChU]

Originally Posted by BMSOTM

2590 deserves an honorable mention.

I will put them on my list for Quebec, as they were at Montreal.

Anyways...

3360 : most efficient LF bot in Quebec, making 2 capped 6 stacks, and 20 points auton. Added can burglars at worlds.

2590 : Good HP bot. 2 capped 6 stacks almost every match, can pick upside down cans

3rd robot : pick any of these 2

3996 : Good HP bot, 2 capped 6 stacks added canburglars, but can't work with ramp when they use it, so they make +- 1 stack

3117 Good HP bot, 2 capped 5-6 stacks.

total of either :

6 stacks with 20 point auto and 2 cans;
5 stacks with 20 point auto and 4 cans;
6 stacks with 4 cans in auto;

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by logank013

On a whole league stand point, the best alliance would be 254-148-1114 to me.

Will raise you one and will say the best Ontario alliance could be 1114-2056-1325 would be a mighty close second place.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

Will raise you one and will say the best Ontario alliance could be 1114-2056-1325 would be a mighty close second place.

2 landfill bots? or are you suggesting that 1114 or 2056 uses their tethered ramp?

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by logank013

2 landfill bots? or are you suggesting that 1114 or 2056 uses their tethered ramp?

1114 and 2056 were together at waterloo and they used a tethered ramp, in fact they used 2 tethered ramps. I think this alliance would still work out fine and be a high scoring one even though it has 2 landfill bots(1114 and 2056 worked fine together in waterloo).

#TetherCompatibility2Strong

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

Will raise you one and will say the best Ontario alliance could be 1114-2056-1325 would be a mighty close second place.

If 1325 had the weight for one of 1114 or 2056's ramps that would be perfect.