State Power Alliances 2015

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by Gregor

If 1325 had the weight for one of 1114 or 2056's ramps that would be perfect.

Even if they don't, 2056/1114 make a tote ramp for the one side.

This alliance would put up, say 7 - 6 stacks conservatively. With that number going up to 9 easily, possibly one more.

[EmileH]

For Massachusetts:

125: At Champs they could put up 2-3 six stacks from their HP station with their feed-through-the-back-style intake. Also has super fast tennis ball can grabbers in auto.

2877: Another feeder station bot, 2877 can contribute 2 capped and noodled 6-stacks from their feeder station.

246: Landfill bot that can do 1-2 five-stacks capped and can grab 1 can in teleop if needed with their "scorpion" arm.

1768 could replace 2877 as a HP bot and still contribute 2-3 five stacks capped with litter. Also has a center can grabber that grabs 2 cans in auto.

[TJP123]

Originally Posted by Bennett548

I didn't watch much of 67 in St. Louis. If they were able to get reliability up then I would do 1023-548-67.

I might also consider 503 in the third position depending on the landscape of the event. They are the fastest canburglars in MI as far as I know, and if a choke hold strategy is viable then I would pick 1023-548-503.

You're being modest. Until unseated, the crown for fastest in MI goes to 548. The side-by-side in the qualifying match we played together at MICMP was a virtual tie, but you guys were in the hole just ahead of us.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

I didn't see 1741, 1720, or 71 at worlds (more than maybe a passing glance), but here's my take:

At ISC, I think personally 1720 was the best, but 71 was a little more consistent (probably why they were picked by 3rd seed 1501). 1741 was definitely the best at getting cans from the step accurately with the claw. As far as worlds goes, it looks like 1720 had the edge again given that they had the highest average of the three teams and seeded 6th in Newton (same division as 1741). For these reasons I feel like 1720 would be the best fit for an Indiana alliance, but that being said I did not see the teams enough at worlds to make the best judgment.

Okay, upon re-watching a lot of match video of all three teams, Ive come to this conclusion (not including can grabbing because all three teams have very accurate 1-can grabbers):

1720- Definitely the best IN landfill bot if you are looking for large amounts of points.
Biggest advantage: Fast tote intake
Biggest disadvantage: slow(ish) lift
Max. scoring ability: 2 36-point stacks

1741- Container specialist that can also stack from landfill
Biggest advantage: Able to cap stacks of 6
Biggest disadvantage: Rear 4-bar arm makes maneuvering the left landfill difficult once stacks start going up.
Max. scoring ability: 1 36 point stack and a stack of 4

71- Very good all-around landfill bot. Most consistent of the three robots
Biggest advantage: Faster lift
Biggest disadvantege: Their containers tend to roll of of their stacks
Max. scoring ability: 1 capped 4-stack and an uncapped stack of 5

[logank013]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

Okay, upon re-watching a lot of match video of all three teams, Ive come to this conclusion (not including can grabbing because all three teams have very accurate 1-can grabbers):

1720- Definitely the best IN landfill bot if you are looking for large amounts of points.
Biggest advantage: Fast tote intake
Biggest disadvantage: slow(ish) lift
Max. scoring ability: 2 36-point stacks

1741- Container specialist that can also stack from landfill
Biggest advantage: Able to cap stacks of 6
Biggest disadvantage: Rear 4-bar arm makes maneuvering the left landfill difficult once stacks start going up.
Max. scoring ability: 1 36 point stack and a stack of 4

71- Very good all-around landfill bot. Most consistent of the three robots
Biggest advantage: Faster lift
Biggest disadvantege: Their containers tend to roll of of their stacks
Max. scoring ability: 1 capped 4-stack and an uncapped stack of 5

I definitely agree with this. 1720 was also sort of slow to take the stack to the scoring platform if I remember right. 71 could also usually do 2 4-stacks capped but as you said, if they were not completely still, bins would roll. I know at IN District Championships, 1741 would usually just make 1 stack of 5 with bin and litter and then would usually spend the rest of the time capping everyone else's stacks. I believe that they are definitely capable of what you said they could do but I never saw them do that. I bet that's what they did at worlds.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

Even if they don't, 2056/1114 make a tote ramp for the one side.

This alliance would put up, say 7 - 6 stacks conservatively. With that number going up to 9 easily, possibly one more.

I know that we haven't ever seen that alliance but i bet we will see plenty of 9 or 10 stacks at great events like IRI or Chezy Champs. Cant wait to see what these teams do in off season events.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by logank013

I know that we haven't ever seen that alliance but i bet we will see plenty of 9 or 10 stacks at great events like IRI or Chezy Champs. Cant wait to see what these teams do in off season events.

I think we will see 9 stacks on a field a few times.
We might see 10.
But "plenty" of matches with 9 or 10 stacks on the field is a little crazy, even for IRI or Chezy Champs. That requires you to have three robots on the field each capable of at least 3 stacks that don't interfere with eachother and perform well, and 10 stacks requires one of those robots to be capable of 4 stacks.
10 stacks means every rightside-up non-step grey tote is scored (including your extra HP totes). That's a lot of totes.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

I think we will see 9 stacks on a field a few times.
We might see 10.
But "plenty" of matches with 9 or 10 stacks on the field is a little crazy, even for IRI or Chezy Champs. That requires you to have three robots on the field each capable of at least 3 stacks that don't interfere with eachother and perform well, and 10 stacks requires one of those robots to be capable of 4 stacks.
10 stacks means every rightside-up non-step grey tote is scored (including your extra HP totes). That's a lot of totes.

Yeah. Plenty was the wrong word. I meant that mostly for elims when you have 2 powerhouse teams per alliance and better 2nd and 3rd picks than in divisions at worlds.

[Hgree56]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

829 was an HP bot though, so they wouldn't mesh well with a 234-1024 alliance.

In their match with 1501 and 5188 at state champs, they played landfill and that was the match to set the high score in Indiana. Although they were best at HF the did do well in the LF

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Hgree56

In their match with 1501 and 5188 at state champs, they played landfill and that was the match to set the high score in Indiana. Although they were best at HF the did do well in the LF

I must have missed that. I never saw 829 at the landfill... but that'd be cool to see again.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

I'll take a shot at IN.

234 - 2 capped 6-stacks from HP station

1024 - see strategy below

1720/1741/71- all would be good for the strategy below, although 71 and 1741 stack slightly faster

Strategy:

234 does their thing and makes their HP stacks, 1024 makes capped and noodled stacks of 2. During this, the alliance landfill bot makes stacks of 4 for 1024 to make 6-stacks out of (1024 already does stack 4 and place 2 and a container on top)

1741 seems like a good match.I didn't think hard on that. Forget 1024 capping. 234 can make 3 full stacks easily out of the hp (1 with bin. other 2 without bins.) then, 1024 makes 2 full stacks with bins. 1741 makes their 5 stack w/ bin and caps 234s other 2 stacks. Easy 246 points with litter in all bins and 20 points for auto if 234 auto works. If it was with 1720, then it would probably only be 5 full stacks and with 71, we would have only five stacks because i would probably want 1024 to cap 71s stacks to make 6 stacks. Never thought about 1741 like that... sounds awesome.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by logank013

1741 seems like a good match.I didn't think hard on that. Forget 1024 capping. 234 can make 3 full stacks easily out of the hp (1 with bin. other 2 without bins.) then, 1024 makes 2 full stacks with bins. 1741 makes their 5 stack w/ bin and caps 234s other 2 stacks. Easy 246 points with litter in all bins and 20 points for auto if 234 auto works. If it was with 1720, then it would probably only be 5 full stacks and with 71, we would have only five stacks because i would probably want 1024 to cap 71s stacks to make 6 stacks. Never thought about 1741 like that... sounds awesome.

So what Im hearing is... all IN IRI alliance? Also on that note, if that alliance happened during quals at IRI and coop happened + 234's auto , this alliance would score 306.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by carpedav000

So what Im hearing is... all IN IRI alliance? Also on that note, if that alliance happened during quals at IRI and coop happened + 234's auto , this alliance would score 306.

Ready for the schedule to come out... lol. I really am excited to see all the crazy events in the offseason...

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by Hgree56

In their match with 1501 and 5188 at state champs, they played landfill and that was the match to set the high score in Indiana. Although they were best at HF the did do well in the LF

Yes we can landfill but we don't do it well HP is our thing.

I can't believe that you are leaving 447 out of the landfill group.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by IndySam

I can't believe that you are leaving 447 out of the landfill group.

Can you explain why they should be in the landfill group (besides the fact that they are a landfill bot)