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Smart strategy and scouting can take a mediocre robot and make it a regional contender. Smart strategy and scouting can take a decent robot and turn it into a regional lock. Smart strategy and scouting can take a good robot and make it a sure bet to win a regional. Smart strategy and scouting can take a great robot and bring it to einstein. And smart strategy and scouting is essential for an elite robot to win a World Championship. This year, 20 had the second one. Last year, 20 had the fourth one. The goal is to one day strike lightning on robot design so we can be the sixth one. |
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And they wouldn't have won had they not correctly identified the right strategic priorities during build season. |
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I don't understand what you mean though. What you said was: Quote:
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In the extremely likely event that you can’t totally break the game, even if you have a top tier robot, you are taking on an insane amount of risk by not scouting to your full potential, especially considering how easily various factors not based purely on your ability can murder your end performance (poor schedule, your robot’s name simply not being “out there”, alliance picks going in a crazy direction, etc.); good scouting will enable you to mitigate these risk factors. That level of risk is way more real than you would think; in 2014 we got hit hard by all of these factors one way or another. The effects would’ve been way worse had we not been scouting hardcore (and 2014 absolutely demanded hardcore scouting), and, in hindsight, there are several ways we could have applied our knowledge to make those factors have hardly any end effect. The main point is that the payoff of great scouting can easily become very high in comparison to the (relatively low) effort cost. That’s why in a competition as intense as FRC, it’s virtually essential for teams who want that extra edge. |
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We focused from Day 1 this year on can grabbing because we saw it as the chokehold strategy. However we also knew we needed at least a second stacking robot. Then we realized at the end of the build season it would take 2 bots to grab all of the cans, so that became the other scouting priority. So we set out to break the game, but we needed scouting to pull it off.
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Oh and they win worlds... BUt thats impossible in itself. |
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It helps when one of your best programmers is spending ~75% of his time working on the app Much of our data processing spreadsheets (now replaced by a combination of Access and Tableau, I'm going to post that eventually) were made by just changing some column titles.Quote:
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Having intensive pit scouting data can make filtering teams by their abilities easier, which is the only reason we still do extensive pit scouting. It has no other use besides giving us criteria to sort quantitative data by. Therefore, most questions we ask are either something they can't lie about (i.e. if they have can pullers, cause I'm standing in front of the robot and I can see if they have them) or something they wouldn't have a reason to lie about (their preferred starting position). Quote:
I'm not sure how that would give you an idea for how good a team actually is. Some teams have very low expectations, others have unreasonably high expectations. |
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It's less about finding out how good a team is rather than what to expect when we interact with the team. If we know they're going to say they can do [x] during the strategy session, we have data proving whether they can or not (so we know whether to rely on that information). For example, if a team says they're going to put up 3 yellow totes and that they do it all the time, yet our scouting says otherwise, then it's pretty easy to tell them "no" if another team can do it as well. If we see that we are going to be with a coach that's a 10-year veteran mentor, then 9 times out of 10, it's going to be hard to convince him or her of going with a strategy other than their own. It's about arming yourself with information, which I see no problem in.
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Let me phrase it this way: I don't give a darn about drivetrain type, number of motors, or weight. Why? Because handled well, they. don't. matter. What matters is how you use what you do have. If you have a somewhat lighter 4-CIM 4WD tank, and you drive it effectively, you will do better at your role than a heavy 6-CIM 6WD drop that isn't driven well. This competition (in general) isn't all about the pushing matches--if your 4-CIM hits the corner right when a shot is lined up, they're going to be wasting time realigning while you line up for another shot at them and your partners score 3. That being said, I think y'all are forgetting something. At the Champs, it isn't just the second pick that will win you the event. It's the third as well. And then the lineups you use. |
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You cannot change my mind on this. |
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