Detroit

[I_AM_Clayton]

Hmm...how do I respond to this positively, (this regards St. Louis) I am from St. Louis I was born here and I've lived here for my entire life. First of all I understand that more than a few people have had their cars broken into during the weekend of world champs and this doesn't represent my city well, but this is a deeper issue, I may be taking this too far but it's an important issue to me. St. Louis city has a higher unemployment rate than Detroit, St. Louis city is slowly losing many of its large businesses and it's somewhat resulting in the downfall of it. St. Louis city is not as bad as it is made out to be (I live in the county area) I spend a lot of my time in the city. I've attended so many city events and there is so much potential in our city for success, I may sound immature, but I have a lot of pride in my city and I just don't appreciate when people throw jokes around about the safety our our city.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by I_AM_Clayton

Hmm...how do I respond to this positively, (this regards St. Louis) I am from St. Louis I was born here and I've lived here for my entire life. First of all I understand that more than a few people have had their cars broken into during the weekend of world champs and this doesn't represent my city well, but this is a deeper issue, I may be taking this too far but it's an important issue to me. St. Louis city has a higher unemployment rate than Detroit, St. Louis city is slowly losing many of its large businesses and it's somewhat resulting in the downfall of it. St. Louis city is not as bad as it is made out to be (I live in the county area) I spend a lot of my time in the city. I've attended so many city events and there is so much potential in our city for success, I may sound immature, but I have a lot of pride in my city and I just don't appreciate when people throw jokes around about the safety our our city.

Then you know how Michiganders feel when people poke fun at Detroit.

[connor.worley]

Don't think anyone's joking though - the numbers are objectively bad on paper.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by connor.worley

Don't think anyone's joking though - the numbers are objectively bad on paper.

I don't think anyone is joking, however the statistic being used doesn't fully examine the situation. Yes, a lot of people have been killed, but it doesn't say who/what/where/when/why it happened. I highly doubt there are people running around out to hurt kids in a robotics competition.

For example last year in Chicago there were 425 homicides. This number is significantly more than Detroit (which had 309). The reason Chicago wasn't on the list is because of the massive population.

So a question I have, Is a city "safer" if it has more homicides along with a larger population? Does a place become "safer" because there are more people but on average less are getting shot?



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[orangelight]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

I don't think anyone is joking, however the statistic being used doesn't fully examine the situation. Yes, a lot of people have been killed, but it doesn't say who/what/where/when/why it happened. I highly doubt there are people running around out to hurt kids in a robotics competition.

For example last year in Chicago there were 425 homicides. This number is significantly more than Detroit (which had 309). The reason Chicago wasn't on the list is because of the massive population.

So a question I have, Is a city "safer" if it has more homicides along with a larger population? Does a place become "safer" because there are more people but on average less are getting shot?



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This is exactly what the problem is with this argument.

[cbale2000]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

That, and for those of you who don't know, Detroit's infrastructure is a nightmare. It's reasonably well-maintained, sure, but there aren't left turns. You see, all those things that look like left turn lanes are actually u-turn lanes, so it's all rights and u-turns. I can't wait to see a few hundred trailers and buses driven by people who have never gotten the Detroit driving experience.

What? No love for the Michigan Left? Most of those U-turns have their own traffic lights so it isn't really that bad.
At least it's not like Chicago where you can be driving down the highway and run into a literal 2-lane wall of cars entering from an on-ramp on the right only to immediately cross all 5 lanes of traffic to get into the off-ramp on the left (a true masterpiece of urban planning).

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by cbale2000

What? No love for the Michigan Left? Most of those U-turns have their own traffic lights so it isn't really that bad.
At least it's not like Chicago where you can be driving down the highway and run into a literal 2-lane wall of cars entering from an on-ramp on the right only to immediately cross all 5 lanes of traffic to get into the off-ramp on the left (a true masterpiece of urban planning).

The Michigan left isn't nearly as bad as it has been made out to be. It is unique but it certainly works.

[Foster]

This topic was annoying the first time it went through CD. It's not much better the second time.

Half Champs in the two cities is / are / will continue to be a done deal.

This is not the place to complain. Address all complaints to these nice people:

Sheri S. McCoy - USFIRST Co-Chair; Chief Executive Officer & Director, Avon Products, Inc.

Robert M. Tuttle - USFIRST Co-Chair; General Partner, 1848 Associates

In your complaint letter, remind them of how many extra hours you can work on this for free and how many sponsors and how much sponsorship dollars you have.

Remember it's better to complain to people that can change things.

Now get off my lawn....

[GaryVoshol]

There are a pair of Michigan Lefts on Jefferson Ave just down from Cobo Hall. Other than that, there aren't any in downtown.

They get semi after semi into Cobo to set up for the auto show. I think they can handle getting team trailers in.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

The Michigan left isn't nearly as bad as it has been made out to be. It is unique but it certainly works.

I survived New Jersey Jug Handles and New England Roundabouts. Bring on your left turn! I can take it!

[Michael Hill]

Well, at least we can go watch the Tigers.

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

That, and for those of you who don't know, Detroit's infrastructure is a nightmare. It's reasonably well-maintained, sure, but there aren't left turns. You see, all those things that look like left turn lanes are actually u-turn lanes, so it's all rights and u-turns. I can't wait to see a few hundred trailers and buses driven by people who have never gotten the Detroit driving experience.

The "Michigan left" as the transplants call it, is probably the greatest invention in traffic history. Yeah, it's a little weird to outsiders, but it is amazing how much it helps traffic flow. I'll never forget the time it took me 17 minutes to go about 700 feet getting back to my hotel from the IRI thanks to no Michigan lefts, but I can go about 12 miles in 17 minutes on Telegraph in rush hour with about twice as much traffic.

[weberr]

Well, All I have got to say is that I have been to Detroit thousands of times in my lifetime and never ever had a problem. It is true things are getting much better very fast as the revitalization of the city is astronomical.

Both times my team went to St. Louis we have been broken into, in the parking lot right next to the stadium, right in the parking lot marked for "team parking". As for safety for our youth, both of my daughters were sleeping in my SUV hooked to the trailer when they broke into it at Championships this year. And the worst part.....there were security guards sitting in their cars at the parking lots!

Basically, you are safe nowhere....

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by IKE

Same area, same facility as the Shell Eco Marathon:
http://www.shell.us/environment-soci...-marathon.html

Cool stuff! Miss those days.....

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by Michael Hill

Well, at least we can go watch the Tigers.

Went to Comerica Park a couple of times when they first opened. Great stadium!