IRI Predictions

[Coach Norm]

Originally Posted by waialua359

When I first saw 118 and 148 on the accepted list, I thought they did so planning to use their practice or real bot. Both teams currently have one of their robots heading to China which left LAX yesterday in a crate with ours and a few other notable teams.
This was part of the reason we decided not to attend IRI as the timing of the coordinators planning the CUYRA China event didn't align with the IRI planning as both events unfolded. We always only build 1 robot due to time and mentor resource constraints.

Good luck to all participating! It'll be different watching from a computer vs. coaching on the field since 2009.

Glenn,
FRC 2468's robot is in the crate on the way to China rather than 118. We are taking their robots place a CUYRA. Three students from FRC 2468 along with my wife and I will be attending CUYRA as well.
We are very excited to get the opportunity to compete at IRI and in China. We are also very fortunate to be able to build two robots each year.The robot on the way to China is our practice robot from this year.
Norman

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by Coach Norm

Glenn,
FRC 2468's robot is in the crate on the way to China rather than 118. We are taking their robots place a CUYRA. Three students from FRC 2468 along with my wife and I will be attending CUYRA as well.
We are very excited to get the opportunity to compete at IRI and in China. We are also very fortunate to be able to build two robots each year.The robot on the way to China is our practice robot from this year.
Norman

I knew you were going, but now I see why and how.
Lucky you built two robots! Two is better than one for sure in this case!

[logank013]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

it was really decided based on their alliances, in my opinion 1114 performed slightly better, but 148 had the luck of the draw a little bit. of course that's all relative since they're both fantastic... with them both having fantastic robots an no lack of cans consistently, another team could just as easily come out on top (195, 2056, etc)

145 was consistent at 3.5 full stacks where 1114 was consistent at only 2.5 to 3 full stacks. The only difference is that 1114 would always do co-op where 148 may not be able to.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by logank013

145 was consistent at 3.5 full stacks where 1114 was consistent at only 2.5 to 3 full stacks. The only difference is that 1114 would always do co-op where 148 may not be able to.

What do you mean 1114 did co-op? Their robot design does not allow them to do so.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by logank013

145 was consistent at 3.5 full stacks where 1114 was consistent at only 2.5 to 3 full stacks. The only difference is that 1114 would always do co-op where 148 may not be able to.

Don't believe that's quite true. Both machines are capable of 4 full stacks, and I've seen both of them do it in person. I don't think 148 ever really tried to co-op, and although I didn't get to see many of their qualification matches at champs, I heard 1114's attempt to co-op didn't go too well (or the co-op worked but the rest of the match didn't go too well, something like that).

[z_beeblebrox]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Don't believe that's quite true. Both machines are capable of 4 full stacks, and I've seen both of them do it in person. I don't think 148 ever really tried to co-op, and although I didn't get to see many of their qualification matches at champs, I heard 1114's attempt to co-op didn't go too well (or the co-op worked but the rest of the match didn't go too well, something like that).

AFAIK, 148's tether is too short to allow co-op.

[Kevin Sheridan]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

What do you mean 1114 did co-op? Their robot design does not allow them to do so.

They added the ability to co-op at champs.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sheridan

They added the ability to co-op at champs.

I didn't realize that.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox

AFAIK, 148's tether is too short to allow co-op.

Would make sense, you'd probably want to reduce resistance in the flow as much as possible.

[Darkseer54]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

118 becomes the second ever world champion to win IRI in the same year

Hate to rain on your parade (and correct me if I'm wrong), but 469 did this both 2003 and 2014, while 71 did this 2004. Sorry.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

What do you mean 1114 did co-op? Their robot design does not allow them to do so.

They did at worlds. They adjusted their intake wheels. I believe they did it like 254 did co-op

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Don't believe that's quite true. Both machines are capable of 4 full stacks, and I've seen both of them do it in person. I don't think 148 ever really tried to co-op, and although I didn't get to see many of their qualification matches at champs, I heard 1114's attempt to co-op didn't go too well (or the co-op worked but the rest of the match didn't go too well, something like that).

I believe that both bots are easily capable but I am talking about consistency. For instance, our bot did 3 full stacks one match but most matches we did, we only got 2 full stacks. after watching lots of game footage at blue alliance, I figured 148 was consistent at 3.5 full stacks where 1114 was only doing 3 full stacks at tops. It really doesn't matter now that 148 declined to go to IRI. Bu i do believe both bots are capable of 4 stacks. 148 did that many times on Einstein. I only saw once or twice where 1114 did 4 stacks. There issue was getting past litter on the ground.

[The other Gabe]

OK, here's my predictions (the whole thing could change if some robots decide not to attend, but this is the idea I had)

Rankings:
1)2826 (auto sets them apart)
2)118 (super consistent, rake allows them to scoop up extra cans quickly for their alliance)
3)1023 (consistency is key)
4)2056 (All around solid landfill bot)
5)195 (I just feel like they'd be ranked here)
6)1114 (Got a bit reckless driving a few times, just like on Einstein)
7)1310 (still a good bot)
8)1325 (they got a bit lucky, but aren't bad anyway)

Alliances:
1) 2826-118-1619-67 (W)
2) 1023-1114-234-1625 (SF)
3)2056-1730-469-225
4)195-33-1806-1756
5)1310-2122-68-3130 (F)
6)1325-503-4039-233 (the built-in-parts alliance: I just really want to see this happen regardless of practicality)
7)2468-330-1218-125
8)624-548-2338-16 (SF)

A rather uneventful IRI, or so it seemed:

After winning the event, it is announced that their trials are not over: The winning alliance must face the ultimate champions; The PNW all-stars team. The terror inducing silhouette of 4488 is seen, framed behind by the dynamic duo of 1983 and 1318. The robots take their places, and the match begins. 1318's can grabber works as it has since week 1: not the fastest, but always there. and speed doesnt matter this time, as their opponents cannot contest them for the cans, meanwhile, 1619's canburglars miss a can. 118 quickly swoops in to collect the missed can, with no net loss for their team. Both teams are hard at work throughout the entire match: with all the cans they could ever need nearby, 4488 is able to create a wall of 4 capped 6 stacks, with 1318 putting up 1 capped and 1 uncapped 6 stack. 1983, having utilized the extra weight limit to add a mechanism that acts actively on the totes, is able to put out 2 capped 6 stacks, as well as another 5 totes. Their opponents play to the same caliber that let them win IRI, however, with Wave's auto giving the team an early 28 point advantage, while in teleop they put up 3 capped stacks, matched in totes, by both of their allies, who only cap 2 of their stacks. with the score at 316 to 332. In the second match, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. 2826's auto messes up, jamming the yellow totes in their robot all game, rendering 3 containers useless. however, on the other side, things are no better: 1318's claw is letting containers slip off stacks, while 1983's lift won't work at all, having not been put together quite correctly. with one alliance restricted to 4 cans, and the other relying on a single robot to make tall stacks, things are grim for everyone. 4488 has the highest scoring single robot game in history, putting up 4 capped 6 stacks as well as an extra 4 totes, while 118 and 1619's robots perform exactly as they had before. however, since 1318 and 1983 are still able to shove totes around or make short stacks, they are able to eke by a win, 210 to 200. 1983 is able to fix their issue, but 1318 can't solve theirs. with Wave's auto working properly, the winners of IRI get to keep their title.

TL;DR I just wanted a chance to headcannon my perfect PNW alliance for IRI, so you can probably ignore the giant paragraph if you want. the predictions above are for real though

[The other Gabe]

Originally Posted by logank013

145 was consistent at 3.5 full stacks where 1114 was consistent at only 2.5 to 3 full stacks. The only difference is that 1114 would always do co-op where 148 may not be able to.

in Qualification matches and the earlier elimination rounds, 1114 was consistently able to clear landfill, their trouble mainly started on Einstein. 148 was not at all consistent, and had two or three matches where they screwed things up (moved robin one match, drove over tether in another) and couldn't make stacks at all. at their best 148 could put up 3 capped and 1 uncapped 6 stacks (my team was on that field, so I watched pretty much ever match).

In response to Abhishek R (sorry, can't figure out multiquoting) who said: "Don't believe that's quite true. Both machines are capable of 4 full stacks, and I've seen both of them do it in person. I don't think 148 ever really tried to co-op, and although I didn't get to see many of their qualification matches at champs, I heard 1114's attempt to co-op didn't go too well (or the co-op worked but the rest of the match didn't go too well, something like that)."

1114 never managed more than 3 full stacks due to not using their ramp, and their attempts at co-op. on of those attempts got a tote sideways in their bot, and other times it took too much time. They got used to it later and could do it a bit better

[BL0X3R]

Originally Posted by The other Gabe

...4488 is able to create a wall of 4 capped 6 stacks...

Challenge Accepted. (obviously not at IRI, but I think we can programmatically shave at least another 2 seconds off our match-long routine by whatever off-season we do attend)

To keep the thread on topic, I'll post my prediction...
(Purposefully leaving out 3rd picks - there's no way I will be able to guess those)

Seeding:
1) 2826
2) 1023
3) 118
4) 1114
5) 2056
6) 624
7) 1730
8) 1325

Alliances and Results:
1) 2826-118-234 (F)
2) 1023-1114-330 (W)
3) 2056-1325-4039
4) 624-33-2468 (SF)
5) 1730-16-67(SF)
6) 1310-2338-316
7) 195-503-233
8) 548-469-1640

...meanwhile at the theoretical West-Coast-IRI, since everyone seems to love talking about what would happen if PNW, CA, and HI were there...

Seeding:
1) 254
2) 4488
3) 1678
4) 971
5) 368
6) 955
7) 973
8) 359

Alliances and Results:
1) 254-973-3674(W, after the most epic 3 matches of recycle rush ever... which were still only mildly more exciting than the average AA Elims matchups...)
2) 4488-971-1318 (F)
3) 1678-368-4450
4) 955-1983-1595(SF)
5) 359-2471-2990
6) 2550-948-2907 (SF)
7) 3476-4061-2046
8) 3663-399-2635