RIP Banebot RS550

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I could live with the 550's being gone, But the 775-18's being gone would really hurt a lot of FRC teams. The BAG motor just isn't powerful enough, and CIMs are just too big. The 775-18 was a perfect motor (after 2011's short issues) and it would be really disappointing to lose it.

There are many 775s on the market and the banebots ones are nothing special. I'm sure the market will fill the hole.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

There are many 775s on the market and the banebots ones are nothing special. I'm sure the market will fill the hole.

Hopefully but it has to happen fast enough for FRC to allow them into the rules for this next season or it will hurt some teams.

Latest reply from the RobotShop technical team. I'm still hoping they will carry the RS775-18.

We would be carrying the 12V version of the 775. Would there be a particular reason why you would not be able to use a comparable system which gave similar torque and speed?

[AllenGregoryIV]

Latest news from RobotShop, they should have them eventually it seems. I'm a little concerned that they can't seem to get the motor names/numbers correct.

Hi Allen,

We are starting by bringing in the most popular models, which were the 755 and 555, but our initialyorder was for the stock versions of these motors rather than for the models customized to BaneBots specifications. We will likely be ordering the custom versions soon, but still do not have an ETA. We will likely not carry all of the BaneBots motor as they are produced on demand and require high order quantities. If you'd like, we can keep you posted on the 755 and 555 customized models.

Hope this helps,

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

Latest news from RobotShop, they should have them eventually it seems. I'm a little concerned that they can't seem to get the motor names/numbers correct.

Hopefully they figure it out. What I absolutely do not want is another 2012, where superior motors (the Fisher Price 0673) were legal, but were all but unobtainable if you didn't already have them.

[Lil' Lavery]

I think I must be the only one who misses the more restrictive motor selections of FRC past. The power wars are absurd currently. I much preferred it when teams had to be more selection about their applications of high powered motors.

Originally Posted by Jared Russell

Hopefully they figure it out. What I absolutely do not want is another 2012, where superior motors (the Fisher Price 0673) were legal, but were all but unobtainable if you didn't already have them.

This is fully agree with.

[Thad House]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

I think I must be the only one who misses the more restrictive motor selections of FRC past. The power wars are absurd currently. I much preferred it when teams had to be more selection about their applications of high powered motors.


This is fully agree with.

I agree with this, but not having a high powered motor thats not a CIM to choose from wouldn't be ideal. Without a single motor 250W+ motor option, alot of things teams have been doing in the past few years wouldnt be possible.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I agree with this, but not having a high powered motor thats not a CIM to choose from wouldn't be ideal. Without a single motor 250W+ motor option, alot of things teams have been doing in the past few years wouldnt be possible.

I remember teams doing a lot of impressive feats prior to the 775-18 or the FP-0673 being legal motors.

[Knufire]

Originally Posted by Thad House

I agree with this, but not having a high powered motor thats not a CIM to choose from wouldn't be ideal. Without a single motor 250W+ motor option, alot of things teams have been doing in the past few years wouldnt be possible.

Between the CIM, miniCIM, am-9015, and BAG motors, I think there's plenty of power available. Especially when you have several COTS gearboxes on the market that will take two am-9015 or BAG motors as inputs.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by Knufire

Between the CIM, miniCIM, am-9015, and BAG motors, I think there's plenty of power available. Especially when you have several COTS gearboxes on the market that will take two am-9015 or BAG motors as inputs.

I don't believe that 3946 has ever competed with a Banebots motor. We did, however, trust the specs and try to use one as a mostly horizontal part of our Ultimate Ascent (2013) climber. After smoking it on the very first climb attempt, we wound up replacing it with a CIM - at the same gear ratio. We found Banebots motors to be more properly name Botsbane.

[magnets]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

After smoking it on the very first climb attempt, we wound up replacing it with a CIM - at the same gear ratio.

There's your problem! The banebots motor with the most torque still has over 3 times less torque than a CIM motor. By switching to a CIM motor and keeping the same gear ratio, you're giving the banebot motor a 3 to 1 disadvantage.

It's totally possible to vertically climb something at a reasonable rate using banebots or similar drill motors. Check out some 2004 robots for examples.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by magnets

There's your problem! The banebots motor with the most torque still has over 3 times less torque than a CIM motor. By switching to a CIM motor and keeping the same gear ratio, you're giving the banebot motor a 3 to 1 disadvantage.

It's totally possible to vertically climb something at a reasonable rate using banebots or similar drill motors. Check out some 2004 robots for examples.

I believe 1986's 2013 climber was 4 550s or 775s.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by magnets

It's totally possible to vertically climb something at a reasonable rate using banebots or similar drill motors. Check out some 2004 robots for examples.

Sure you're not thinking of the FPs? THOSE were the days! Drills in the drive, the odd CIM in some random place, and FPs and Globes for everything else. (Well, unless you needed a window or van door motor...)

The FP motors (Fischer-Price motors, from say a Barbie jeep) were some really good climbers if you ran 'em through their stock gearbox. Long as you didn't stall 'em, you were golden. They could also be used in the drive to back up the drill motors (though I do recall a team a few years later using 2 CIMs and 1 FP on each side--poor little FP didn't stand much of a chance). And, they were fairly tough to kill off, though not as tough as the CIMs.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by EricH

Sure you're not thinking of the FPs? THOSE were the days! Drills in the drive, the odd CIM in some random place, and FPs and Globes for everything else. (Well, unless you needed a window or van door motor...)

The FP motors (Fischer-Price motors, from say a Barbie jeep) were some really good climbers if you ran 'em through their stock gearbox. Long as you didn't stall 'em, you were golden. They could also be used in the drive to back up the drill motors (though I do recall a team a few years later using 2 CIMs and 1 FP on each side--poor little FP didn't stand much of a chance). And, they were fairly tough to kill off, though not as tough as the CIMs.

I remember that the 2005 FP had absurd power on paper as we were over volting it from the rated spec, but even so the 775's are dramatically superior to the 2005-2006 era FP's in any situation where they are under appreciable load.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Cory

I remember that the 2005 FP had absurd power on paper as we were over volting it from the rated spec, but even so the 775's are dramatically superior to the 2005-2006 era FP's in any situation where they are under appreciable load.

'04 wasn't bad, for an FP--that's what we ran in '05 (legal per the rules updates). As I recall we didn't get 775s until at least '06 (and needed to get the gearbox with them).

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

After smoking it on the very first climb attempt, we wound up replacing it with a CIM - at the same gear ratio.

Originally Posted by magnets

There's your problem! The banebots motor with the most torque still has over 3 times less torque than a CIM motor.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. We designed for the Banebots, but it didn't come close to meeting the spec, or at least our understanding of it. Not having enough time before bagging to get a new gearbox, we swapped to a CIM without changing gears, other than the pinion. Fortunately, we had only used four CIMs otherwise.