Event with 30,0000 HS students in Detroit.

[GeeTwo]

Did anyone else read this like I did (emphasis mine)?

We are exploring ...options for a post-season, broadcasted event between winning alliances

If there's a better venue for a meeting of the alliances of the (two or more) championships, I've yet to hear of it. This would probably mean that the alliance matchup would be played by FRC rules, not IRI updates, making this an event within the event. Sounds like a win-win for both FRC and IRI to me.

[hectorcastillo]

If my team somehow helps lower crime rates in both cities, do you think we'll have a good shot for the safety award?

[wilsonmw04]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Bullet point #2.

Split hairs much? "Looking into" and "what is right now" are two entirely different things. If they come out with this plan, I'll revise my statement. Until that time, my statement is 100% accurate.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04

Split hairs much? "Looking into" and "what is right now" are two entirely different things. If they come out with this plan, I'll revise my statement. Until that time, my statement is 100% accurate.

It's not splitting hairs. You're making a statement as fact, when FIRST has not officially announced anything official regarding how they are determining championship slots. Further still, they have announced that they are investigating something that goes contrary to your statement. Rather than making declarative statements, you should present the full picture.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by GeeTwo

Did anyone else read this like I did (emphasis mine)?


If there's a better venue for a meeting of the alliances of the (two or more) championships, I've yet to hear of it. This would probably mean that the alliance matchup would be played by FRC rules, not IRI updates, making this an event within the event. Sounds like a win-win for both FRC and IRI to me.

There's been long discussions in three different threads on how this might work, and how many hurdles exist to pulling it off, most importantly that it could be very difficult to get the COMPLETE "winning" alliances (or a larger group of Einstein competitors) to a third venue outside of the already existing two-week period.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

It's not splitting hairs. You're making a statement as fact, when FIRST has not officially announced anything official regarding how they are determining championship slots. Further still, they have announced that they are investigating something that goes contrary to your statement. Rather than making declarative statements, you should present the full picture.

Given that the Number 1 objective stated by FIRST for Championsplit is reducing travel costs and given the distribution of teams across North America, by far the highest probability is that California will be assigned largely to Houston, and a statement by a California team that they are focused much more on Houston rather than Detroit is completely valid. We all have to act on the information we have given the lack of information from FIRST on the topic (which reflects the tone-deaf, insular way in which this proposal was rolled out in the first place). FIRST should have either (1) explored multiple concepts with community with an open book and then formulated a response or (2) released a very comprehensive, well considered, detailed plan. Instead they released a half-considered plan that anyone with experience sees is a political trainwreck in the making.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

Given that the Number 1 objective stated by FIRST for Championsplit is reducing travel costs and given the distribution of teams across North America, by far the highest probability is that California will be assigned largely to Houston, and a statement by a California team that they are focused much more on Houston rather than Detroit is completely valid.

I never disputed any of that. What I disputed was the statement that was in response to that, which was stated as a fact when the area is still up for potential change.

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

We all have to act on the information we have given the lack of information from FIRST on the topic (which reflects the tone-deaf, insular way in which this proposal was rolled out in the first place). FIRST should have either (1) explored multiple concepts with community with an open book and then formulated a response or (2) released a very comprehensive, well considered, detailed plan. Instead they released a half-considered plan that anyone with experience sees is a political trainwreck in the making.

Save this for the other 10000 threads on this topic. Your vitriol is getting tiresome.

[PayneTrain]

So far this thread is causing more of a headache than any congestion in Detroit.

[Ryan_Todd]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

So far this thread is causing more of a headache than any congestion in Detroit.

^^^ This.

Traffic-wise, the only difference I noticed in the Metro area was on that first day with all the buses rolling through; I assume that the same happened again yesterday, but I wasn't out and about at the time. I also wasn't downtown during this timeframe, so I can't give any more specific info about the local effects; do we have anyone that actually did see this firsthand?

[AdamHeard]

So what's the death toll?

[nikeairmancurry]

zero point zero.

[Mullen]

From what I've heard, no major incidences. There were a few people who had their cars broken into, but none of those happened downtown - they were outside of the city at hotels. We hear of those happening at St.Louis and where ever else all the time, not a shocker.

My friends' groups never felt in danger and spent all weekend walking around the city.

Am I surprised by this? Not at all.

Can we put this whole "Detroit isn't a safe place to bring my teenagers" thing to bed now?

Also, this thread has nothing to do with how FIRST will divvy up who is going where or general CMP logistics, so stop.

[Mudbud5]

As a member of the ELCA and a participant in the ELCA youth gathering that recently happened in Detroit, I am happy to answer any logistical question to the best of my abilities. I would also like to mention the irony that the two places for champs, Huston and Detroit are both hosting the ELCA youth gathering. Huston is the 2018 location for the ELCA youth gathering just as a heads up for anyone who is interested.

[Paxaplenty]

Originally Posted by Mudbud5

As a member of the ELCA and a participant in the ELCA youth gathering that recently happened in Detroit, I am happy to answer any logistical question to the best of my abilities. I would also like to mention the irony that the two places for champs, Huston and Detroit are both hosting the ELCA youth gathering. Huston is the 2018 location for the ELCA youth gathering just as a heads up for anyone who is interested.

Would you have the gathering ever again in Detroit?

[Mudbud5]

Originally Posted by Paxaplenty

Would you have the gathering ever again in Detroit?

Yes I would. The people were very kind and the city was beautiful and has bounced back well from bankruptcy. Additionally, they are doing repairs to Cobo center to make it even better than it is currently which is still a nice complex.