2016 global brainstorm

[SJaladi]

Originally Posted by EDesbiens

This won't limit the vision of everybody... The goal here is to help teams get new ideas and point of views about every aspect of the 2016 challenge... Strategy, rules, mechanics, programming ect... It is not meant to be the principal way to gather ideas; it's much more about discussing, discovering and helping other teams...

If you don't want to be part of this, it's fine... But if you want to, it's open to everybody...

As someone else already mentioned this sounds a lot like, if not exactly what this forum is already for. If you think this brainstorm will serve some purpose beyond what already happens following kickoff on this forum can you explain?

[EDesbiens]

Originally Posted by SJaladi

As someone else already mentioned this sounds a lot like, if not exactly what this forum is already for. If you think this brainstorm will serve some purpose beyond what already happens following kickoff on this forum can you explain?

It's true that this forum already serves that purpose... But it is also used for other things. I think that having a place where we only talk about the kickoff and where ideas and concepts are sorted (strategy, drivetrain... ect...) would be more effective. It is more focused about creating a large diversity of ideas then debating on what is the best thing to do. This way, everybody can get new ideas and explore them by themselves while forging their own opinion...

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by EDesbiens

It's true that this forum already serves that purpose... But it is also used for other things. I think that having a place where we only talk about the kickoff and where ideas and concepts are sorted (strategy, drivetrain... ect...) would be more effective. It is more focused about creating a large diversity of ideas then debating on what is the best thing to do. This way, everybody can get new ideas and explore them by themselves while forging their own opinion...

You'll find that these "large diveristy of ideas" can be formed from Ri3D teams. Some Ri3D teams also make videos about their game impressions and strategies (snow problem did that last year), but you can always contribute to that by expressing your thoughts about the game through this idea you have.

I like that your enthusiastic to work on this idea, but I don't know how useful this will be considering there will be so much discussion about everything you want this idea to cover. CD members contribute, debate, and talk about the game endlessly after it is released (with all of this, many teams can explore and develop opinions). You'll find that this may be redundant, but if your enthusiastic about doing it, go for it.

Maybe you want to make all these ideas more organized and accessible to the FRC community?

[EDesbiens]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

Maybe you want to make all these ideas more organized and accessible to the FRC community?

That's a big part of it... I think that Chief Delphi is a great tool but that it isn't very organised when a lot of people post their thoughts... If we can classify everything grant an easier access to everybody, the flow of information will be way more vivid and diversified in my opinion (by diversified I mean that if we can see what was posted on a subject before posting our idea, we can...).

[Rman1923]

Isn't there a whole section on CD dedicated to Kickoff just to address this? I think it's kinda pointless to start a new system that will take years to gain the popularity CD already has. Instead, you could just share the section on CD through the channels you would've shared this form on.
Also, our team doesn't even do design and mechanical stuff (except for drive train, maybe) until day three or four. We just analyze the rules and the game before we jump into things. Kickoff day is for us to just read rules and maybe start thinking of strategy.

[Taylor]

Holy crap.
Let the guy have his idea.

This is why people are afraid to post things on chiefdelphi anymore. Instead of a conversation regarding cool features of his idea - which hurts NOBODY - it's people telling him his idea is stupid and he is stupid and his cat is ugly, and instead of growing and learning from the experience, he's having to defend his idea to bah-humbuggers.

There is such a thing as constructive criticism. This thread isn't it.



I think it's a fine idea. As Etienne said, it's a way for young, inexperienced, or undermentored teams to share ideas and strategies for the upcoming season. If two robots end up looking similar after this - if they both work, that's great. Better to have some sort of strategic design than another embarrassing BLT (no offense meant to Plowie). If you don't want to use this resource, it's not compulsory.

I'm signing up in your google form and I look forward to the discussions that happen in January. Good luck, and we'll see you at the competition.

Edit: I would sign up, but my computer blocks shortened URLs. Any way you could post the original?

[EDesbiens]

Originally Posted by Taylor

Holy crap.
Let the guy have his idea.

This is why people are afraid to post things on chiefdelphi anymore. Instead of a conversation regarding cool features of his idea - which hurts NOBODY - it's people telling him his idea is stupid and he is stupid and his cat is ugly, and instead of growing and learning from the experience, he's having to defend his idea to bah-humbuggers.

There is such a thing as constructive criticism. This thread isn't it.



I think it's a fine idea. As Etienne said, it's a way for young, inexperienced, or undermentored teams to share ideas and strategies for the upcoming season. If two robots end up looking similar after this - if they both work, that's great. Better to have some sort of strategic design than another embarrassing BLT (no offense meant to Plowie). If you don't want to use this resource, it's not compulsory.

I'm signing up in your google form and I look forward to the discussions that happen in January. Good luck, and we'll see you at the competition.

Edit: I would sign up, but my computer blocks shortened URLs. Any way you could post the original?

Thank you for your support Here is the url : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1lrV...?usp=send_form

[MikeBrock]

Originally Posted by Taylor

Holy crap.
Let the guy have his idea.

it's a way for young, inexperienced, or undermentored teams to share ideas and strategies for the upcoming season.

I'm signing up in your google form and I look forward to the discussions that happen in January. Good luck, and we'll see you at the competition.

Edit: I would sign up, but my computer blocks shortened URLs. Any way you could post the original?

I'm just saying that I doubt any good team will participate in idea generation or discussing strategy outside of CD or Ri3D/Build Blitz, they rarely even post on here actually. This means young teams just share ideas among themselves instead of actually learning anything important.

Taylor, not all constructive criticism is written as fluffy clouds and rainbows. Often times it is best to just tell someone they are pursuing something not worth their effort.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by MikeBrock

I'm just saying that I doubt any good team will participate in idea generation or discussing strategy outside of CD or Ri3D/Build Blitz, they rarely even post on here actually. This means young teams just share ideas among themselves instead of actually learning anything important.

Then say that. No need to tell him his idea is stupid.

Originally Posted by MikeBrock

Taylor, not all constructive criticism is written as fluffy clouds and rainbows. Often times it is best to just tell someone they are pursuing something not worth their effort.

You're absolutely correct. * But I haven't seen much constructive criticism here - just criticism. Remember the person on the other side of the Internet is human too.

(what I typed after the * is an address to the world at large, not specifically Mike.)

[Ginger Power]

Originally Posted by MikeBrock

I'm just saying that I doubt any good team will participate in idea generation or discussing strategy outside of CD or Ri3D/Build Blitz, they rarely even post on here actually. This means young teams just share ideas among themselves instead of actually learning anything important.

So can only "good" teams have good ideas? It doesn't take a perennial powerhouse to offer up information that some teams could find valuable. This coming from somebody who led an Ri3D team last year and is going to do so again this year. I'm not from a perennial powerhouse, nor do I consider myself to be an "expert" in FRC. However I've talked to a number of people who said our Ri3D robot inspired them. I do think a lot of the discussion this is designed to host is already done on Chief Delphi, but who am I to tell somebody that their idea (which is just trying to better the FRC community) is no good. Instead I'll offer a piece of advice that I think will improve the idea and differentiate it from forums that are already out there: maybe set up a system where people who sign up to do this get randomly placed in a Google hangout sessions with other random people who sign up. Maybe in groups of 5 to 10? This allows for inter-team communication and brainstorming, but isn't just a forum that people post on. It allows face to face communication (computer screen to computer screen... whatever) which other sites don't offer. Just a suggestion, like I said previously, I hope this is a huge success and good luck!

[EDesbiens]

Originally Posted by Ginger Power

Instead I'll offer a piece of advice that I think will improve the idea and differentiate it from forums that are already out there: maybe set up a system where people who sign up to do this get randomly placed in a Google hangout sessions with other random people who sign up. Maybe in groups of 5 to 10? This allows for inter-team communication and brainstorming, but isn't just a forum that people post on.

That's a nice idea! I'll try to do this

Originally Posted by Ginger Power

I hope this is a huge success and good luck!

Well thank you

[asid61]

Originally Posted by MikeBrock

I'm just saying that I doubt any good team will participate in idea generation or discussing strategy outside of CD or Ri3D/Build Blitz, they rarely even post on here actually. This means young teams just share ideas among themselves instead of actually learning anything important.

Taylor, not all constructive criticism is written as fluffy clouds and rainbows. Often times it is best to just tell someone they are pursuing something not worth their effort.

The "good" teams aren't going to share their strategy anyway, so it's not like the young teams were "learning anything important" regardless of this discussion. What would they learn watching good team release videos, that they wouldn't learn by discussing with other teams also?
Randomized hangouts discussions sounds really cool.

[EDesbiens]

Originally Posted by asid61

Randomized hangouts discussions sounds really cool.

Would you guys prefer a system of randomized hangouts or a system where you choose a subject (programming, strategy, robot systems (drive trains, claw for example) ) and get in a room of people already talking about that subject?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by EDesbiens

Would you guys prefer a system of randomized hangouts or a system where you choose a subject (programming, strategy, robot systems (drive trains, claw for example) ) and get in a room of people already talking about that subject?

Depending on how many people you have, and your available programming talent level, you could do both. Pick a subject, land in a random room discussing that subject.



Me personally, I'll probably be chilling with my team and the rulebook, figuring out just what pesky rules I gotta enforce THIS year (and a big thank-you to all the teams who brought correct numbers on the first try this last year!) and reminding the students to read the manual--and then watching CD and issuing the same reminder.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by EDesbiens

Would you guys prefer a system of randomized hangouts or a system where you choose a subject (programming, strategy, robot systems (drive trains, claw for example) ) and get in a room of people already talking about that subject?

That would get my vote. I don't want to be stuck in a room full of programmers.