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37 | 13.21% |
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52 | 18.57% |
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44 | 15.71% |
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147 | 52.50% |
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Re: Alliance Captain versus last pick in Alliance Selection
My take on the situation is very personal since we have recently gone though similar situations over the past couple seasons. The most notable was winning the championship with 254, 469, and 74 in 2014.
My team (and I) would not have wanted to change anything about our championship run. It was fantastic to play with (and win) with such good partners against some of the other best robots in the world. In 2014 my team was ecstatic to win the championship, but we are also realistic about how fortunate we were. We are also realistic to understand that there were probably 4-5 other teams in the division that could have filled the same role we did on the alliance. All that being said, one of the things that is continuing to drive us to try and get better is the want to win as the alliance capt or first pick. We know we won't make it there right away but we would like to improve each year. While we didn't have the blue banner season we did last year, being picked in the first round at the championship (even though we lost in the quarter finals) to us was a personal improvement. For this next year we hope to keep climbing the ladder. If we ended up being the 2nd pick on an alliance (24th or otherwise) and ended up winning again we would celebrate the victory, but still strive for more. This next part is from me personally (not specifically my team) The alternative perspective for what it's worth is that I would rather be a low alliance captain than the 4th robot on a winning alliance who didn't play. While it is great to be selected and be part of the alliance I don't think I could ever truly celebrate a championship win without our robot touching the field. I don't want to take anything away from any team who has won or will win (either a division or a championship) as the 4th robot, but for me I would rather play 2 matches on the field and loose than leave my robot on it's cart and win. |
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In 2014, taking 5136 limited the availability of goalie bots for other teams and gave us the back up for 1114 and an additional option to run a different mix for the autonomous routine. In 2015, we honestly thought that 5012 would be playing in the Einstein semis and finals and that 1671 would be sitting out those rounds. The games played out differently so that we didn't use 5012. In addition, having 5012 available mooted 1114/148's threat to use their harpoon grabbers. |
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For these reasons, I went with 1b and 2a but I also understand the somewhat of a paradox that creates. So I'll assume that after the regional event the team sat down and brainstormed some improvements knowing they had their CMP tickets punched and figured something out that ends up being successful. |
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Not exactly the place to ask, but while on the topic, how did 5012 eliminate that threat? Did they just have a cheesecake fast enough to beat it or was it something game-breaking like the reach around strategy? If it was a traditional can grabber fast enough to match the harpoons, is there any video of it? I haven't seen anyone discuss what they had done to beat the harpoons, only that they could.
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If the 900/5012 can battle were to occur, it would leave us and 900 tangled up with all 4 cans at the center of the field, with the possibility of leaving a mess in both landfills. This would have made it difficult for 1114(and 118) to play their games effectively. We would have likely played 1671 in place of 118 as they were more proficient at the feeder station. |
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1A/2A for what I'd choose personally... 1B/2B for the program and what the students could use right now. Echoing other sentiments, I don't want to diminish the win for teams that achieved it as a 3rd/4th pick, but being selected as that 3rd/4th robot is more heavily influenced by luck than by consistently striving to improve to where you can win events as an AC or 1st pick. Long term, I'd like to be a problem that wins consistently, which equates to 1A/2A.
That being said, what if that win in 1B/2B is what inspires the next round of freshman/sophomores to really step it up the following years to dramatically improve? Or outside of the robotics team, just inspires them period as they move on to college? Sorry for the stream of consciousness, but I guess what it equates to is that I want our team to perform well to inspire my students. I think that the best way to do that long term is to recognize incremental improvement via better placement in tournaments (without winning), and I'd never intentionally try to play to the 24th spot just to increase my odds of winning... but if it sorted out such that we lucked into Einstein... I don't really care how we got there, the kids would be ecstatic. |
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I've seen cases where the last pick wasn't picked for the robot or even the driver team... expertise, scouting data, and "good luck" all come to mind.
Say 217 at champs in 2013... I remember reading that among the reasons 1986 and 1538 gambled on them (with a broken robot) was their experience and "knack for winning". Had the repairs held up, it's very possible 1538 could have pulled a 67 style sweep, or at least became one a handful of teams that have both made Einstein and won Chairman's in the same year. No competent alliance picks the 4th bot randomly... they always are picked for a reason. |
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Last edited by The other Gabe : 26-08-2015 at 17:19. Reason: I did not see jaja's post |
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