Lowest Finals Scores

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by logank013

Now in Indiana, I don't think we ever had a match that one alliance got 0...

There you go, thinking again. :-)

I checked with The Blue Alliance and found one example, Qualification Match 22 at the Indianapolis event. There's video of the match available, if you want to feel depressed about a lack of robot performance.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015inind_qm22

I thought I saw a playoff match with a red card, which should have given the entire alliance a score of 0. I don't remember the details of how the card was taken back and the score preserved.

[saikiranra]

Here is the lowest final score data from the last fourteen years, ignoring unofficial events and scores equal or less than zero.

2015
Blue:    Avg. 122 Small. 18 2015nytr
Red:     Avg. 149 Small. 38 2015nyli
Winning: Avg. 158 Small. 70 2015wasno

2014
Blue:    Avg. 138 Small. 22 2014micen
Red:     Avg. 155 Small. 38 2014mxmc
Winning: Avg. 175 Small. 52 2014micen

2013
Blue:    Avg. 106 Small. 16 2013txlu
Red:     Avg. 118 Small. 30 2013ista
Winning: Avg. 131 Small. 58 2013ista

2012
Blue:    Avg. 47 Small. 9 2012wca
Red:     Avg. 59 Small. 6 2012gt
Winning: Avg. 64 Small. 30 2012pit

2011
Blue:    Avg. 60 Small. 2 2011li
Red:     Avg. 82 Small. 16 2011sac
Winning: Avg. 93 Small. 30 2011md

2010
Blue:    Avg. 6 Small. 1 2010is
Red:     Avg. 8 Small. 1 2010is
Winning: Avg. 10 Small. 1 2010is

2009
Blue:    Avg. 68 Small. 28 2009la
Red:     Avg. 78 Small. 34 2009hi
Winning: Avg. 84 Small. 48 2009pit

2008
Blue:    Avg. 63 Small. 6 2008is
Red:     Avg. 80 Small. 10 2008is
Winning: Avg. 87 Small. 10 2008is

2007
Blue:    Avg. 38 Small. 2 2007dt
Red:     Avg. 43 Small. 2 2007is
Winning: Avg. 59 Small. 8 2007va

2006
Blue:    Avg. 46 Small. 8 2006ga
Red:     Avg. 54 Small. 9 2006roc
Winning: Avg. 64 Small. 12 2006roc

2005
Blue:    Avg. 36 Small. 3 2005ny
Red:     Avg. 42 Small. 10 2005wat
Winning: Avg. 52 Small. 4 2005dt

2003
Blue:    Avg. 35 Small. 2 2003fl
Red:     Avg. 47 Small. 5 2003ny
Winning: Avg. 61 Small. 7 2003fl

2002
Blue:    Avg. 26 Small. 10 2002ca
Red:     Avg. 30 Small. 10 2002cmp
Winning: Avg. 39 Small. 21 2002mo

I can run more or different calculations if anyone would like.

[carpedav000]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

I thought I saw a playoff match with a red card, which should have given the entire alliance a score of 0. I don't remember the details of how the card was taken back and the score preserved.

Are you talking about the Phyxed Red Card incident?

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

There you go, thinking again. :-)

I checked with The Blue Alliance and found one example, Qualification Match 22 at the Indianapolis event. There's video of the match available, if you want to feel depressed about a lack of robot performance.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015inind_qm22

I thought I saw a playoff match with a red card, which should have given the entire alliance a score of 0. I don't remember the details of how the card was taken back and the score preserved.

Haha. Thanks. And I was dumb too because this stream was only suppose to be finals scores. Haha

[ratdude747]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

There you go, thinking again. :-)

I checked with The Blue Alliance and found one example, Qualification Match 22 at the Indianapolis event. There's video of the match available, if you want to feel depressed about a lack of robot performance.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015inind_qm22

I thought I saw a playoff match with a red card, which should have given the entire alliance a score of 0. I don't remember the details of how the card was taken back and the score preserved.

The only red card I remember entering in FMS was SF1 at Indy, due to the tether debacle. That one stayed too. That said, due to illness I missed the last day of state champs, so it is possible that something happened then.

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by ratdude747

The only red card I remember entering in FMS was SF1 at Indy, due to the tether debacle. That one stayed too. That said, due to illness I missed the last day of state champs, so it is possible that something happened then.

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Aliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Alliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by Taylor

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

In the past, red cards were given alliance scores of zero officially in the system, and indeed it was at the event. (we had a double-red card elimination match in 2011 where the "lesser" red card got 1 point and the "worse" red card alliance got 0 points. Back then it was W-L in eliminations. It was a simpler time...)

If you recall, week 1 events weren't updated in the FMS due to some nasty network/API issues at HQ. The official event scores weren't updated for several days (I think almost week 2). I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by MechEng83

In the past, red cards were given alliance scores of zero officially in the system, and indeed it was at the event. (we had a double-red card elimination match in 2011 where the "lesser" red card got 1 point and the "worse" red card alliance got 0 points. Back then it was W-L in eliminations. It was a simpler time...)

If you recall, week 1 events weren't updated in the FMS due to some nasty network/API issues at HQ. The official event scores weren't updated for several days (I think almost week 2). I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.

Yeah, so it shows 0 on the FIRST web page too http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/HOPPER/playoffs

The inconsistency here seems to indicate that the ININD playoff score may have been manually entered ex post facto, potentially due to the FMS debacle.

[The other Gabe]

The lowest finals match score I can think of happened at the Mount Vernon district due to the Finalist alliance's main scorer's lift not working. final score of F2 was 128 to 45.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015wamou_f1m2

the lowest match I saw was my team's first match. No points were scored by our alliance, at all in a 0-24 game.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015waamv_qm1

[alectronic]

Originally Posted by MechEng83

I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

It says it right on the FIRST page:

Teams disqualified in a match are shown with *asterisk and italics*. Teams replaced by a backup team are shown with a strikethrough.

[ratdude747]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Aliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

Whoops... memory failed me again.

Originally Posted by Taylor

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

IIRC red cards have shown as 0 in the past. Actually, this year, in FMS, things seemed different, as the 0 was only showing up as a drop in average score (unless my memory is backwards again, after scorekeeping 5 official events and one offseason so far it kinda turns to mush). That said, cards in playoffs were for a few weeks at least problematic, as due to a bug they wouldn't carry correctly. So yes, the score of 0 is bad reporting, at least technically.

edit- I do not recall manaully zeroing the score. I do recall seing the score not zero, and being told by the FTAs to look at the averages, which being the alliance's first match of the semifinals (hence why I for some reason remembered it being SF1, DOH!), zeroed out the average score on the leaderboard.

Being "after the fact" I think I can also safely share this; due to a brain fart behind the scoring table no formal timeout was ever entered in FMS during the timeout in question; Nobody told me to and I wasn't aware that the period was to be entered as such in FMS (as in the past, the similar "breaks" between back to back matches were not done through FMS, unlike couponed timeouts). Given the number of changes this year I guess that particular one slipped between the cracks. So, in a way, I guess I'm partly to blame, sorta? Week 1's are full of growing pains... If it is any consolation, that goof never happened again when I was scorekeeping.

Originally Posted by tindleroot

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.

I was scorekeeping that field too... but not that match; that match was scorekept by Hopper's other scorekeeper, Rob, as he did all the playoff matches that didn't have his team, 1676, in it.

Am I a red card magnet this year?... Nah. IRI IIRC had no red cards, so much for that theory...

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by alectronic

It says it right on the FIRST page:

I know it says that. I meant in place of zeroing the score, but now we've been shown inconsistent results for red card application.

[Ginger Bread]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

There you go, thinking again. :-)

I checked with The Blue Alliance and found one example, Qualification Match 22 at the Indianapolis event. There's video of the match available, if you want to feel depressed about a lack of robot performance.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015inind_qm22

If we're talking about low quals matches https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015gape_qm2
Abandoning co-op is never a good idea, I was in this match as HP and both alliances had agreed to do co-op, when the match started, the red alliance showed no attempt (that i can remember) of putting yellow totes on the step, the blue alliance failed to realize this until it was to late to get any totes from the landfill/throw noodles. It was just an overall bad match.