Lowest Finals Scores

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Alliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by Taylor

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

In the past, red cards were given alliance scores of zero officially in the system, and indeed it was at the event. (we had a double-red card elimination match in 2011 where the "lesser" red card got 1 point and the "worse" red card alliance got 0 points. Back then it was W-L in eliminations. It was a simpler time...)

If you recall, week 1 events weren't updated in the FMS due to some nasty network/API issues at HQ. The official event scores weren't updated for several days (I think almost week 2). I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by MechEng83

In the past, red cards were given alliance scores of zero officially in the system, and indeed it was at the event. (we had a double-red card elimination match in 2011 where the "lesser" red card got 1 point and the "worse" red card alliance got 0 points. Back then it was W-L in eliminations. It was a simpler time...)

If you recall, week 1 events weren't updated in the FMS due to some nasty network/API issues at HQ. The official event scores weren't updated for several days (I think almost week 2). I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.

Yeah, so it shows 0 on the FIRST web page too http://frc-events.usfirst.org/2015/HOPPER/playoffs

The inconsistency here seems to indicate that the ININD playoff score may have been manually entered ex post facto, potentially due to the FMS debacle.

[The other Gabe]

The lowest finals match score I can think of happened at the Mount Vernon district due to the Finalist alliance's main scorer's lift not working. final score of F2 was 128 to 45.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015wamou_f1m2

the lowest match I saw was my team's first match. No points were scored by our alliance, at all in a 0-24 game.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015waamv_qm1

[alectronic]

Originally Posted by MechEng83

I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

It says it right on the FIRST page:

Teams disqualified in a match are shown with *asterisk and italics*. Teams replaced by a backup team are shown with a strikethrough.

[ratdude747]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Aliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

Whoops... memory failed me again.

Originally Posted by Taylor

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

IIRC red cards have shown as 0 in the past. Actually, this year, in FMS, things seemed different, as the 0 was only showing up as a drop in average score (unless my memory is backwards again, after scorekeeping 5 official events and one offseason so far it kinda turns to mush). That said, cards in playoffs were for a few weeks at least problematic, as due to a bug they wouldn't carry correctly. So yes, the score of 0 is bad reporting, at least technically.

edit- I do not recall manaully zeroing the score. I do recall seing the score not zero, and being told by the FTAs to look at the averages, which being the alliance's first match of the semifinals (hence why I for some reason remembered it being SF1, DOH!), zeroed out the average score on the leaderboard.

Being "after the fact" I think I can also safely share this; due to a brain fart behind the scoring table no formal timeout was ever entered in FMS during the timeout in question; Nobody told me to and I wasn't aware that the period was to be entered as such in FMS (as in the past, the similar "breaks" between back to back matches were not done through FMS, unlike couponed timeouts). Given the number of changes this year I guess that particular one slipped between the cracks. So, in a way, I guess I'm partly to blame, sorta? Week 1's are full of growing pains... If it is any consolation, that goof never happened again when I was scorekeeping.

Originally Posted by tindleroot

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.

I was scorekeeping that field too... but not that match; that match was scorekept by Hopper's other scorekeeper, Rob, as he did all the playoff matches that didn't have his team, 1676, in it.

Am I a red card magnet this year?... Nah. IRI IIRC had no red cards, so much for that theory...

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by alectronic

It says it right on the FIRST page:

I know it says that. I meant in place of zeroing the score, but now we've been shown inconsistent results for red card application.