Lowest Finals Scores

[Maximillian]

Originally Posted by Ginger Bread

How did your team get fouls in Recycle Rush?

We got two G18 fouls for contact over the step. We had a 610 style "Crossbow" can grabber.

[MikLast]

Finals 2 at the West Valley district event was 87-49
https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015waspo_f1m2

[ryan2640]

For the 2015 North Carolina Regional the finals consisted of Alliance 1 (1225, 2059, and 900) versus Alliance 6 (3971, 587, and 2640).

Finals 1: Alliance 1- 93....... Alliance 6- 90


Finals 2: Alliance 1- 72....... Alliance 6- 65


Reasonably low score for the second finals match because both alliances had a robot that was not useful because of lift mechanism malfunction.

[MisterJ]

Originally Posted by EricH

I believe it's actually theoretically possible to get three fouls on ONE play, without involving the robot. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure that one out...

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

[ratdude747]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

There you go, thinking again. :-)

I checked with The Blue Alliance and found one example, Qualification Match 22 at the Indianapolis event. There's video of the match available, if you want to feel depressed about a lack of robot performance.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015inind_qm22

I thought I saw a playoff match with a red card, which should have given the entire alliance a score of 0. I don't remember the details of how the card was taken back and the score preserved.

The only red card I remember entering in FMS was SF1 at Indy, due to the tether debacle. That one stayed too. That said, due to illness I missed the last day of state champs, so it is possible that something happened then.

[GKrotkov]

Originally Posted by MisterJ

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

Idea to add yet another foul:
Two human players are throwing the noodle cooperatively, and thus are in the same HP zone

[logank013]

Originally Posted by GKrotkov

Idea to add yet another foul:
Two human players are throwing the noodle cooperatively, and thus are in the same HP zone

You guys are nuts... Haha I will try to convince our human player (one of the best in the league this year when throwing noodles) to try to knock over 6 stacks. lol

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by ratdude747

The only red card I remember entering in FMS was SF1 at Indy, due to the tether debacle. That one stayed too. That said, due to illness I missed the last day of state champs, so it is possible that something happened then.

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Aliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

[Rachel Lim]

Originally Posted by MisterJ

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

If it's the human player knocking over the stack, is it still a foul?


What I'm getting:

Single action with the most fouls: 6 fouls

A drive coach (G31) goes into a HP station where a HP is already there (G31), and throws a tote over the HP station wall (G34, and G31 again) while holding onto the chute door (G6) intending to damage an opposing robot (G26).



Single match with the most fouls: 175 fouls, 1 yellow card

During auto, the drive teams wear devices connecting to the driver station (G20), cross the starting line (G19), and touch the driver station (G21).
= 3 fouls and 1 yellow card

Then two drive coaches (G31) go into the same HP station (G5) and hold onto the chute door (G6) while reaching over the HP station wall (G4), throwing all 30 totes and 10 noodles over the wall (in the last 20 seconds) (G33, G34) intending each tote to damage an opposing robot (G26), while the rest of the drive teams leave the alliance stations (G30).
= 172 fouls



Breakdown for teleop:
40 fouls for coach touching totes/litter
40 fouls for reaching into the field
31 (?) fouls for having two people in the HP station (initial foul, then one for each tote entered)
30 fouls for touching the chute door and totes
30 fouls for damage
1 foul for leaving alliance station

[EricH]

Originally Posted by MisterJ

Human player's hand crosses over the wall while throwing a noodle in the last 20 seconds that knocks over a cooperation stack onto the opponent's side? That would be 6 fouls if you count a foul for each tote? It could theoretically be 8 fouls if all 6 yellow totes were stacked.

There is no foul for knocking over somebody's stack, IF the human does it via a flying noodle. I specifically left the robots out. (For a robot, the max is 7 "points" fouls in one move--tips a canned 6-stack out of bounds or over the step.)


But, you got 2/3.

Coach throws noodle in the last 20 seconds and puts hand over the wall while doing it. G31/G33/G4

2/3 of THAT one did happen at one event. I'm still not sure who threw the SECOND late noodle in that match...


Rachel, if the coach operates the chute door, it's a G6-2 red card, not a G6 penalty. G6 only kicks in if they're handling the totes at the same time. That being said, 30 penalties for the coach holding the chute door and throwing totes over the wall... At some point, the ref is just going to pull out the very last resort red card: Egregious Behavior. A red card so rarely (never?) used, it doesn't have it's own rule number (Section 5.5.4).

[Ginger Bread]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

There you go, thinking again. :-)

I checked with The Blue Alliance and found one example, Qualification Match 22 at the Indianapolis event. There's video of the match available, if you want to feel depressed about a lack of robot performance.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015inind_qm22

If we're talking about low quals matches https://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2015gape_qm2
Abandoning co-op is never a good idea, I was in this match as HP and both alliances had agreed to do co-op, when the match started, the red alliance showed no attempt (that i can remember) of putting yellow totes on the step, the blue alliance failed to realize this until it was to late to get any totes from the landfill/throw noodles. It was just an overall bad match.

[logank013]

Originally Posted by Rachel Lim

If it's the human player knocking over the stack, is it still a foul?


What I'm getting:

Single action with the most fouls: 6 fouls

A drive coach (G31) goes into a HP station where a HP is already there (G31), and throws a tote over the HP station wall (G34, and G31 again) while holding onto the chute door (G6) intending to damage an opposing robot (G26).



Single match with the most fouls: 175 fouls, 1 yellow card

During auto, the drive teams wear devices connecting to the driver station (G20), cross the starting line (G19), and touch the driver station (G21).
= 3 fouls and 1 yellow card

Then two drive coaches (G31) go into the same HP station (G5) and hold onto the chute door (G6) while reaching over the HP station wall (G4), throwing all 30 totes and 10 noodles over the wall (in the last 20 seconds) (G33, G34) intending each tote to damage an opposing robot (G26), while the rest of the drive teams leave the alliance stations (G30).
= 172 fouls



Breakdown for teleop:
40 fouls for coach touching totes/litter
40 fouls for reaching into the field
31 (?) fouls for having two people in the HP station (initial foul, then one for each tote entered)
30 fouls for touching the chute door and totes
30 fouls for damage
1 foul for leaving alliance station

What if the coach threw a tote knocking over 6 co-op totes onto the other side of the field, also damaging the 6 co-op totes. 12 more fouls haha

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

It couldn't have been SF1. Neither of those alliances played in the next match, and nobody would have tethered to a robot on the field. I was reasonably sure the incident happened between SF2 and SF3 (both played by Alliance 8), but The Blue Alliance doesn't show anything unusual.

I found the match results on the FIRST web site, and it too shows a nonzero score for SF2. However, it shows the three teams on Alliance 8 as *disqualified*, verifying that as the red card match. So apparently the official score stands, while the teams involved don't get to count it.

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

[MechEng83]

Originally Posted by Taylor

This is an instance of TBA reporting bad data.
SF-2 was officially scored as a 0 for the match. The 106 points scored were completely erased at the event, as per the 2015 rules.
However, since the 0 was a result of the red card, it does not qualify for this thread. It has indeed been christened the "Phyxt-Red-Card" incident in honor of the alliance teams.
Personally, this was the source of both my heart breaking when it happened, then swelling at the teams' response.

The affected teams petitioned FRC HQ to review the incident, and HQ graciously allowed the three alliance members ten district points. These points allowed 1741 to qualify for the World Championship event, where they were quarterfinalists on Newton.

In the past, red cards were given alliance scores of zero officially in the system, and indeed it was at the event. (we had a double-red card elimination match in 2011 where the "lesser" red card got 1 point and the "worse" red card alliance got 0 points. Back then it was W-L in eliminations. It was a simpler time...)

If you recall, week 1 events weren't updated in the FMS due to some nasty network/API issues at HQ. The official event scores weren't updated for several days (I think almost week 2). I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by MechEng83

In the past, red cards were given alliance scores of zero officially in the system, and indeed it was at the event. (we had a double-red card elimination match in 2011 where the "lesser" red card got 1 point and the "worse" red card alliance got 0 points. Back then it was W-L in eliminations. It was a simpler time...)

If you recall, week 1 events weren't updated in the FMS due to some nasty network/API issues at HQ. The official event scores weren't updated for several days (I think almost week 2). I wonder if the asterisks and italics is the new way of indicating DQ since it's was impossible to tell before if the zero was due to DQ or zero score. For qualifications, it also lets you know if a team received zero points while the alliance didn't.
Does anyone know of another playoff match that had a red card this year to compare?

F-2 of Hopper was the most famous, resulting from the long can battle between 987 and 1218. The red alliance received 0 points as recorded on TBA and the finals was taken to a third match.