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Re: Can someone in the Irving TX area "draft" this young man?
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I do think at least passive bias played a role on the part of the admin and teacher while the admin and police were far too robotic and inflexible. No one really tried to think through a non text bookish way to deal with this situation and part of that was because both fiction and nonfiction media had told them everything they thought they needed to know about it.
Movies and TV make bombs look obvious, news (and certain politicians) associate a religion with explosive devises, and both fiction and nonfiction media rarely associate people of color with technical or science related things reducing his chance for the benefit of the doubt. With those three things in the back of their mind (or the forefront) their decisions are unsurprising. Just think back to when you first heard the story. It probably seemed immediately obvious to you what the teacher, admin, and police were thinking because you too know the stereotypes they acted on. The biggest problem is that punishment was doled out despite the fact they were after all wrong, and that there was no apology. To Daisies points: The support piled up from multiple independent entities and just grew, plus for many it's just good publicity. But the other important aspect is that it needs to be communicated to everyone in the US and the world that even if some people in our country are going to treat people this way many, hopefully most, don't support their actions. This incident having become very high profile was a good time to say that. |
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I'm not expressing an opinion either way! But for the purposes of the discussion know that even creating a hoax bomb is all kinds of illegal in Texas.
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A wide variety of charges that he could have been arrested and charged with. But lets not loose sight of it's a clock. He said it was a clock. It was a clock. Not a bomb, hoax bomb, pseudo bomb, etc. A clock. |
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What reasons, if any, the school thought this was legitimate threat, they probably cannot discuss because of privacy issues. So we are only getting the story from one side. Please don't take this as me defending the actions the school took, but acknowledging that we might not know the whole story. |
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge, the school didn't evacuate. This is a problem across the county. If there are any thoughts that they actually believe their is a real bomb in the school, the student safety should be #1, and the school should be evacuated. Same goes if they get a bomb threat. This is an issue at my school. Almost EVERY year, we get a bomb threat whether it be via phone call or written on the bathroom walls. Sometimes, it happens twice a year. I'm not exaggerating. And what did our school do? Nothing! I'm sorry, but if there is any chance of there being a bomb in the school, the student need to be evacuated in order to keep their safety the number 1 priority. And this should be at every school.
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The school didn't evacuate because it was a clock. Not a bomb. It was a clock. Not a hoax bomb. It was a clock.
Once the teacher went to the administration and they called the police it became a racial attack on a 14 year old boy and his family by 3 police officers. (Not to let the school off the hook) Not a bomb. Not a hoax bomb. Racial attack of a brown boy that has a Muslim name and is of the Muslim faith and has well known brown parents who are well know for their Muslim faith and activism. Attack by police in a town who's Mayor is a well known ilsamphobic. Not a bomb. Racial attack. And we will hear the "schools side" when the lawsuit is settled by the school and the police. |
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What is and is not a "hoax bomb" is not up to us. The law literally says anything than can "cause concern to an official". With respect, we do not know this. And charging a wide array of persons with racism is pretty out there. Note that this high school is less than 14% white so people of different colors and backgrounds is the overwhelming norm. Given the lack of information from both sides, is it responsible to throw the racism card at every turn? Something is amiss that leads to this kid getting treated so poorly. But I'm thinking bureaucracy is more to blame. |
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Either TSA isn't doing their job and should apparently hire TX school teachers or there's more going on here. [3] But, in the interest of not assuming malice where I can't prove it, I'll err on the side of this being a case of Zero Tolerance becoming Zero Common Sense. [1] I had data sheets and order forms for everything in this box with the parts in case there was any investigation. And I'd arrived at the airport 2 hours early. [2] Though they did make darn sure to make me get rid of my 3/4 empty tube of toothpaste because the container was more than 3 oz... [3] What I'm hinting at, I'm white, and prejudices are totally a thing. |
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Blame the bureaucracy and impeach the Irving mayor for stupidity. Last edited by wireties : 24-09-2015 at 09:13. |
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In your case it's clear that skin color had nothing to do with it, you just brought the electronics to a place with astronomical security. |
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This is the issue that I'm surprised people aren't debating more... Why did the school beleive it was a hoax bomb? They believed that Ahmed intentionally brought a fake bomb to school. They thought that he was trying to scare people by pretending to build a bomb. IFF they thought he brought in a fake bomb, then they must have thought that he had malicious intent. Why did they think he had malicious intent? They either believed he had malicious intent, or they were trying to harass him. It's hard to come up with a non-racial motivation for those two possibilities. |
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I definitely agree that the Zero Tolerance system made this situation significantly worse than it should have been. I'm just not sure that any student with some sort of electronic board in their backpack would be treated the same way. See my above post about the school determining that Ahmed had malicious intents. If the letter of the Zero Tolerance law is "if you suspect something to be a bomb, you must report it to the police", then the school still suspected him of malicious intent.
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I think the kid did a silly thing. His engineering teacher told him to put it away and he didn't. But 14 year olds, of all colors, do silly things all the time. Then the bureaucracy reared its ugly head. |
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