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Please correct me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge, the school didn't evacuate. ...
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In accordance with proper FEMA bomb threat procedure
Interesting. I've never seen that. But I feel like it doesn't apply to the situation of this case. If this teacher actually thought that clock was a bomb and since it was in her possession, I feel like that checklist would then become invalid. One of the steps is tell them not to evacuate the building until the police arrive to evaluate the threat. If the teacher actually thought it was a bomb, she or he would have known the severity of the level is very high. That's when you evacuate the building without touching base with the police. Now if the teacher thought it was a hoax bomb, that's a whole other story and what the teacher did was right for that day. If the teacher thought it was a hoax bomb from the beginning, then the teacher was just too dumb to actually look into what the mechanisms actually looked like.
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In accordance with proper FEMA bomb threat procedure
And what does the FEMA bomb threat procedure have to do with this?

This page has the Student Conduct Guide for the 2015 School year It's their rule book. Not FEMA.

There is also an adjunct guide for School Board Policys

The first document is a 50 page "guide" with an ironic slogan "Where Children Come First" on it.

I'm not willing to go with the "it was a hoax bomb threat." The teacher continued to teach, she kept the clock with her and after class they went to the office. He has given a number of interviews about what happened and the flow of the day.

I have to say that the list of things you can be expelled for is pretty intense:

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Discretionary Expulsion: Misconduct That May Result in Expulsion Any Location A student may be expelled for:
** Engaging in the following, no matter where it takes place:
o Conduct that contains the elements of assault under Penal Code 22.01(a)(1) in retaliation against a school employee or volunteer.
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o Capital murder.
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o Aggravated robbery.
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o Engaging in conduct relating to a false alarm or report (including a bomb threat) or a terroristic threat involving a public school.
Yikes! But again, he said it was a clock. He never called a threat in, only the teacher said that they thought it was a bomb.

But then lets look at the glossary to make sure we didn't miss anything.

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Explosive weapon is any explosive or incendiary bomb, grenade, rocket, or mine and its delivery mechanism that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury, death, or substantial property damage, or for the principal purpose of causing such a loud report as to cause undue public alarm or terror.
No, it was a clock.
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1. Cause action by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies;
2. Place a person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury; or
3. Prevent or interrupt the occupation of a building, room, or place of assembly.
No, this didn't happen either. Even the teacher can't say "Place a person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury" since she stayed and finished the class.

From what we know from the news reports and what he's said on the news.
-- It wasn't a bomb threat, since they did none of the activities that would occur around a bomb threat.
-- It wasn't a "hoax bomb" threat, since there wasn't any of the activities that would be around even a "hoax bomb"

We don't know the ISD side, and my guess is that until the trial, we never will. And actually I'm going to guess that we will read in a few weeks "The ISD reached a settlement today, neither party was willing to comment".

What we can all agree on is the Irving School District, and most school districts across the U.S. have "Zero tolerance" policy's that are a flowchart to fail by dumping issues onto the police. Which we know from this case that these things rapidly spiral out of control.

To all of you that said in different words, "not a big deal": Explain to me why I'm seeing pictures of a 14 year old student in handcuffs. Explain how a "clock" gets to the point of handcuffs. Put together a story, based on what's out there in the reported news, how it got to having him in handcuffs. Don't go dumpster diving into FEMA suggested procedures or what Home Land Security or the The Worshipful Company of Clockmakers would do. They put a 14 year old student in handcuffs for bringing a clock to school.
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If this teacher actually thought that clock was a bomb and since it was in her possession,
AFAIK, the teacher did NOT think it was a bomb. They thought it was a hoax bomb. I talked about the implicaitons of that on the last page.
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AFAIK, the teacher did NOT think it was a bomb. They thought it was a hoax bomb. I talked about the implicaitons of that on the last page.
Ok but even at that, the kid never said it was a bomb and it was dumb if her to take it that far. All it did was beep and it was in a pencil case! Of course we don't know some details but it is ridiculous on so many levels it seems from what the news covers
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I have to say that the list of things you can be expelled for is pretty intense:
The student was not expelled. He was never in danger of being expelled. I've not seen this in any media stories about this incident. What are you talking about?
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To all of you that said in different words, "not a big deal": Explain to me why I'm seeing pictures of a 14 year old student in handcuffs. Explain how a "clock" gets to the point of handcuffs. Put together a story, based on what's out there in the reported news, how it got to having him in handcuffs.
Student brings disassembled old alarm clock to school in a small case.
Student shows device to engineering teacher who tells him to not show it to anyone else.
"Clock" alarm goes off and student takes it out again.
English teacher confiscates the "clock", does not know what it is but that it is not a bomb.
English teacher, obeying policy and procedure, gives device to school administration.
School administration wonders why a kid brings this to school and, obeying policy and procedure, calls the police.
Police arrive and student will not answer questions, other than state it is a clock, and does not cooperate. (to me this is weird, why not open up to the police)
Police, following policy and procedure, cuff the student and take him to the station. Reminder - to be a hoax the object must only arouse the suspicion of an "authority figure", the kids intention does not matter. And nobody gets in the back of a police cruiser w/o being cuffed.
Police, following policy and procedure, decide the kid, though uncooperative, is no danger to himself or anyone else.
Police release student.

Now it may come out that student was treated poorly somewhere along the line. There may be a racist element somewhere though it is not obvious. Many students get in trouble for all kinds of weird things. But I'm betting it is just bureaucracy run amok.
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School administration wonders why a kid brings this to school and, obeying policy and procedure, calls the police.
Police arrive and student will not answer questions, other than state it is a clock, and does not cooperate. (to me this is weird, why not open up to the police)
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But I'm betting it is just bureaucracy run amok.
Your interpretation hinges on the administration having to report the clock to the police. I won't claim to know for certain, but I don't think a Zero Tolerance policy applies to any electronics brought into a school. I think the administrators / teachers HAD to believe that Ahmed brought a hoax bomb to the school. They don't call the police for every piece of electronics brought to school.

The real question we need to be asking is why they thought he had intentionally brought a hoax bomb. And that question is much more likely to end in racism.
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Student brings disassembled old alarm clock to school in a small case.
Student shows device to engineering teacher who tells him to not show it to anyone else.
"Clock" alarm goes off and student takes it out again.
English teacher confiscates the "clock", does not know what it is but that it is not a bomb.
English teacher, obeying policy and procedure, gives device to school administration.
School administration wonders why a kid brings this to school and, obeying policy and procedure, calls the police.
Police arrive and student will not answer questions, other than state it is a clock, and does not cooperate. (to me this is weird, why not open up to the police)
Police, following policy and procedure, cuff the student and take him to the station. Reminder - to be a hoax the object must only arouse the suspicion of an "authority figure", the kids intention does not matter. And nobody gets in the back of a police cruiser w/o being cuffed.
Police, following policy and procedure, decide the kid, though uncooperative, is no danger to himself or anyone else.
Police release student.

Now it may come out that student was treated poorly somewhere along the line. There may be a racist element somewhere though it is not obvious. Many students get in trouble for all kinds of weird things. But I'm betting it is just bureaucracy run amok.
And that is the own teachers fault. If you look at the red digital display, it looks EXACTLY like the red display on my clock. Plus, it had numbers on it that read the same exact time as the teachers time on their computer. Anyone who owns an alarm clock can look at the display and immediately tell it is from a clock! It doesn't look like anything else! what else is in the format of "xx:xx"? nothing in this world except something to do with time. I will blame this on the teacher 100%. Forget the wires. Some defenses say that the teacher didn't understand the wiring. You don't need to understand the wires to tell it's a clock. If everyone had some common sense, this wouldn't have happened. And every clock makes the same exact noise for the most part. If you played a sound effect of that clock's noise, 99% of America could tell you it's a clock. I'm not trying to be rude. i'm trying to figure out how a teacher can be so stupid. maybe she didn't open it. I'm not sure. The whole situation was just dumb to begin with.
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Your interpretation hinges on the administration having to report the clock to the police. I won't claim to know for certain, but I don't think a Zero Tolerance policy applies to any electronics brought into a school. I think the administrators / teachers HAD to believe that Ahmed brought a hoax bomb to the school. They don't call the police for every piece of electronics brought to school.

The real question we need to be asking is why they thought he had intentionally brought a hoax bomb. And that question is much more likely to end in racism.
You are generalizing to make your point. I totally agree (whatever rules exist) should not apply to "any electronics" but it could readily apply to any "disassembled active electronics". How many students disassemble a working clock and bring it to school? I've been helping with robotics for 12 years and never seen a student do such a thing - all kinds of Arduinos and stuff brought to the meetings but never just take something apart and show it around school. I don't understand what the kid was doing nor do I assign any nefarious intent.

I'm thinking they concluded there was some tiny chance he intended for it to be a hoax. They didn't want to put their own jobs in jeopardy - bureaucrats trapped in a zero-tolerance framework. What I'm saying is they they let policy and procedure supplant common sense. It is hard to put ourselves in their position because we 1000% KNOW it was a clock.

The more I think about this I would have counseled the student to not show it around, just like his engineering teacher. But I may have kept it for him till he could pick it up on his way home - thinking some idiot may not know what this is and react poorly. 20/20 hindsight maybe...
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And that is the own teachers fault.
We just cannot and should not say such things. We KNOW 1000% that it was a disassembled clock so there is no way for us to put ourselves in the English teacher's place and make blanket accusations. Put me on the spot to interpret some Shakespeare and I dare say this English teacher would think me the idiot.
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I heard the clock was completely fraudulent
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You are generalizing to make your point. I totally agree (whatever rules exist) should not apply to "any electronics" but it could readily apply to any "disassembled active electronics".
I'm not generalizing, I'm assuming. I'm assuming that Zero Tolerance does not include "disassembled active electronics" because I feel like that would be too insane. I will gladly change my mind if they were required to report something like "electronics devises where PCBs and wires are visible". If it they weren't though, then your argument doesn't hold any water.
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I heard the clock was completely fraudulent
It was not a "creation" (the kid did say he built it but I'm thinking he was crazy nervous) just something the student disassembled. But taking things apart to see how they work is kewl and definitely a sign of intellectual curiosity.
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I will gladly change my mind if they were required to report something like "electronics devises where PCBs and wires are visible"
I'm chuckling thinking about trying to explain PCBs to an English teacher or a 50-year old principal.
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