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I'm chuckling thinking about trying to explain PCBs to an English teacher or a 50-year old principal.
So the hypothetical principal would have been in high school in the 80s? Getting in the way back machine. Not only you could wear a Timex as a watch, you could own a Timex Sinclair computer. Or you could make you own computer with a PCB, soldering iron and mostly discrete components. If you where flush with cash, you could buy the original IBM PC. 8 bit architecture was old hat even then. Bill Gates was only a millionaire. Even old people had given up their slide rules for calculators. We had all that stuff back then. Do you want to play Ticktacktoe?

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It was not a "creation" (the kid did say he built it but I'm thinking he was crazy nervous) just something the student disassembled. But taking things apart to see how they work is kewl and definitely a sign of intellectual curiosity.

But he kept trying to present it as his invention.
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But he kept trying to present it as his invention.
Are you sure? And if so, who cares? I have been under the impression that he followed some instructions (alla, Instructables) and used kit type parts to build it. Whichever of those is true, awesome! I wish I had had the initiative to do that at age 14.
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But he kept trying to present it as his invention.
Realize that national media often get the details wrong. Anyway the point of the controversy is did his taking it to school merit suspension and arrest, not was it a repurposed clock or an invention. Once again selective reporting and the school not being to tell its side of the story makes it hard to tell.
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But he kept trying to present it as his invention.
I keep seeing that he tried passing it off as his own invention from many secondary sources. I feel like that is probably somebody's opinion. Find that for me in a Primary source and I will believe that he tried to do that. I'm honestly not sure which sources are right... haha. they are all so different.
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Re: Can someone in the Irving TX area "draft" this young man?

Whether or not he passed it off as his "invention" or not is largely irrelevant. A student brought an engineering project he had been working on to school to show off. It doesn't matter if he invented it, used a kit, or reverse engineered an existing product. What he did should be celebrated and encouraged.

Instead he was arrested.
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Re: Can someone in the Irving TX area "draft" this young man?

I give a lot of time and investment to FIRST activities, because among other skills and experiences - I thought it was a great environment for young people to learn to think for themselves.

A lot of the replies on this thread make me question exactly that.

There is always more to these events, don't jump on the bandwagons the media lay out in front of you.
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There is always more to these events, don't jump on the bandwagons the media lay out in front of you.
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Don't believe everything you see on the Internet. (Or in print. Or that you hear from somebody.)
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Re: Can someone in the Irving TX area "draft" this young man?

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Or, to put it another way:

Don't believe everything you see on the Internet. (Or in print. Or that you hear from somebody.)
Yea, I'm just upset that my photoshop skills are not good enough to put hand cuffs on, remove all the gang tattoos and swap out a confederate flag on the tee shirt for a NASA logo on that student. Because we all know that is the real story.


The story has been on lots of news outlets. All of them match up pretty closely. I guess we'll need to wait and see the 2016-2017 ISD school budget and the million dollar notation.
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I give a lot of time and investment to FIRST activities, because among other skills and experiences - I thought it was a great environment for young people to learn to think for themselves.

A lot of the replies on this thread make me question exactly that.

There is always more to these events, don't jump on the bandwagons the media lay out in front of you.
Are you aware of additional information that hasn't been shared in this thread?

If so, what is it?

If not -- what point is there in your post?
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Are you aware of additional information that hasn't been shared in this thread?

If so, what is it?

If not -- what point is there in your post?
He or she was saying that sometimes, the media takes the facts that they receive and put their own sort of twists and opinions on the story. I think their point was very valid. The facts are exactly as follows before the arresting of Ahmed. He dissembles a clock and puts it in a pencil pouch. He thinks it is cool so he takes it to school. He shows his engineering teacher and the teacher says, don't show anyone else. Ahmed shows his English teacher and she believes it to be a hoax bomb. Ahmed gets arrested.

The OP's point in their post is that all the main media outlets blame Ahmed for everything and not listening to his teacher. The media also goes out on tangents talking about things that are irrelevant, just to make the poor kid look bad.

What some users are saying on Chief Delphi is that who cares about what the media is saying. The real issue is that the police arrested a teenager for an unjust reason. Some other users on Chief Delphi are also saying does it really matter if he didn't invent the clock? The cool part about this kid is that he is experimenting with electronics and learning how to do some mountings inside of the pencil case. It's cool that he is even experimenting with technology. That is exactly what some CD users are saying.

The point of the OP's post is saying that they enjoy a new perspective on the story and are glad to see that there is some other side to the story. Don't give the OP bad reputation for this post. They were just stating that they were glad to see another side of the story and they were just stating their opinion of how cool the users of CD are. Try not to criticize every little thing that is posted on CD. After all, CD is a forum and forums are for opinions. I just know i have received bad reputation before in a similar situation as the OP and I don't want it happening to the OP. Hopefully, I didn't make this post too in depth. Thanks for reading.
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The OP's point in their post is that all the main media outlets blame Ahmed for everything and not listening to his teacher. The media also goes out on tangents talking about things that are irrelevant, just to make the poor kid look bad.
What media are you watching? I have only seen crazy sentiments like that from nutso "media" outlets or public figures like Sarah Palin. Everything I have seen on CNN, NBC, Forbes, and even some of what I have seen on Fox (though I don't see that often) has been on his side.

I think that guys point was the opposite of what you are saying. It looks like he is suggesting that our support of Ahmed might have been influenced by "misleading" sources.
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Ahmed shows his English teacher and she believes it to be a hoax bomb. Ahmed gets arrested.
That is not what happened. The English teacher passed the situation to the school administration who passed it to the police. Then the police questioned Ahmed (for too long in my opinion) and decided he was harmless. Ahmed was not arrested or charged with anything.
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That is not what happened. The English teacher passed the situation to the school administration who passed it to the police. Then the police questioned Ahmed (for too long in my opinion) and decided he was harmless. Ahmed was not arrested or charged with anything.
I think most reasonable people would describe being placed into handcuffs, fingerprinted and having a mugshot taken as being arrested.
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That is not what happened. The English teacher passed the situation to the school administration who passed it to the police. Then the police questioned Ahmed (for too long in my opinion) and decided he was harmless. Ahmed was not arrested or charged with anything.
There is really no need to qualify that. It is nearly exactly what happened. The teacher is the one who made the call the confiscate the clock and bring it to administration.
And what happened to him certainly sounds like "arrest" to me. And if it's not, whatever, let's stick to the important issues. Syntax is not one of them. The kid had an incredibly egregious thing happen to him. Your continued portrayal of it as simply "the police questioned him to long" is pretty insulting to him.

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