Go to Post I've heard of mentors who keep talking until they are blue in the face, but this is my first time actually seeing one. - Richard Wallace [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 02:31
waialua359's Avatar
waialua359 waialua359 is offline
Mentor
AKA: Glenn
FRC #0359 (Hawaiian Kids)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Waialua, HI
Posts: 3,305
waialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond reputewaialua359 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen View Post
I love the motivation behind this change, and I think the definitions are reasonable and will help judges figure out which teams are most deserving of the Chairman's Award. That being said, I agree with Andrew's point above that a team's ignorance regarding these definitions could end up giving them an advantage, and while I'm not sure what could be done about that, it's unfortunate.
The biggest impact here is that it will help both the teams AND the judges follow a more clear set of definitions when defining quantity and terms used often by teams in their essays, interviews with judges, and their presentation.
This is a big improvement versus the status quo where many teams in the past have used such terms loosely to their advantage.
__________________

2016 Hawaii Regional #1 seed, IDesign, Safety Award
2016 NY Tech Valley Regional Champions, #1 seed, Innovation in Controls Award
2016 Lake Superior Regional Champions, #1 seed, Quality Award, Dean's List
2015 FRC Worlds-Carver Division Champions
2015 Hawaii Regional Champions, #1 seed.
2015 Australia Regional Champions, #2 seed, Engineering Excellence Award
2015 Inland Empire Regional Champions, #1 seed, Industrial Design Award
2014 OZARK Mountain Brawl Champions, #1 seed.
2014 Hawaii Regional Champions, #1 seed, UL Safety Award
2014 Dallas Regional Champions, #1 seed, Engineering Excellence Award
2014 Northern Lights Regional Champions, #1 seed, Entrepreneurship Award
2013 Championship Dean's List Winner
2013 Utah Regional Champion, #1 seed, KP&B Award, Deans List
2013 Boilermaker Regional Champion, #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
2012 Lone Star Regional Champion, #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
2012 Hawaii Regional Champions #1 seed, Motorola Quality Award
Reply With Quote
  #17   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 07:45
Jon Stratis's Avatar
Jon Stratis Jon Stratis is offline
Electrical/Programming Mentor
FRC #2177 (The Robettes)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,791
Jon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen View Post
I love the motivation behind this change, and I think the definitions are reasonable and will help judges figure out which teams are most deserving of the Chairman's Award. That being said, I agree with Andrew's point above that a team's ignorance regarding these definitions could end up giving them an advantage, and while I'm not sure what could be done about that, it's unfortunate.
It could be as simple as having a link in a compliance statement on the submission website - "check this box to acknowledge that you and your team has read and complied with the definitions supplied here." With something like that, no team can claim ignorance...
__________________
2007 - Present: Mentor, 2177 The Robettes
LRI: North Star 2012-2016; Lake Superior 2013-2014; MN State Tournament 2013-2014, 2016; Galileo 2016; Iowa 2017
2015: North Star Regional Volunteer of the Year
2016: Lake Superior WFFA
Reply With Quote
  #18   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 09:12
sanddrag sanddrag is offline
On to my 16th year in FRC
FRC #0696 (Circuit Breakers)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Glendale, CA
Posts: 8,515
sanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

This is a good thing and long overdue, but I still see two potential issues that this document seems to allude to:
  • FIRST seems to value only FIRST programs. This document infers that robotics and engineering programs that are not affiliated with FIRST are not given the same if any "credit"
  • The Chairman's award seems to have returned to a competition of who can start, mentor, and assist, more teams and who can run more events.
__________________
Teacher/Engineer/Machinist - Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2011 - Present
Mentor/Engineer/Machinist, Team 968 RAWC, 2007-2010
Technical Mentor, Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2005-2007
Student Mechanical Leader and Driver, Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2002-2004
Reply With Quote
  #19   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 09:32
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,887
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag View Post
This is a good thing and long overdue, but I still see two potential issues that this document seems to allude to:
  • FIRST seems to value only FIRST programs. This document infers that robotics and engineering programs that are not affiliated with FIRST are not given the same if any "credit"
  • The Chairman's award seems to have returned to a competition of who can start, mentor, and assist, more teams and who can run more events.
To your first point. makes sense to me.

TO #2: That is not it at all. What they are trying to do is standardize what it means to "start" ,"mentor" ,"assist" , teams. It is in no way stating how this is going to be weighted.

I do have a questions about how this is going to be enforced, if it was ever intended to be. Why have the second part of the definitions here at all unless there needs to be some sort of supporting documentation required or each mentored team listed? It makes no sense otherwise.
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #20   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 10:06
MamaSpoldi's Avatar
MamaSpoldi MamaSpoldi is offline
Programming Mentor
AKA: Laura Spoldi
FRC #0230 (Gaelhawks)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Shelton, CT
Posts: 305
MamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant futureMamaSpoldi has a brilliant future
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

This is a great addition to the Chairman's Award rules and criteria... an excellent tool to encourage and provide consistency. I'm very happy to see this put in place. We often have discussions about what a particular term really means and what it might imply to the judges... now we have it defined for us. This is definitely a positive change. Thank you HOF teams for your work on this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis View Post
It could be as simple as having a link in a compliance statement on the submission website - "check this box to acknowledge that you and your team has read and complied with the definitions supplied here." With something like that, no team can claim ignorance...
^ This is a perfect suggestion... can't claim ignorance after that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag View Post
This is a good thing and long overdue, but I still see two potential issues that this document seems to allude to:
  • FIRST seems to value only FIRST programs. This document infers that robotics and engineering programs that are not affiliated with FIRST are not given the same if any "credit"
  • The Chairman's award seems to have returned to a competition of who can start, mentor, and assist, more teams and who can run more events.
^ My interpretation has long been that the Chairman's Award does emphasize outreach within the FIRST community. This has also been reinforced with the updated short answer questions in the last couple of years that specifically asked about interactions with and encouragement of other JFLL, FLL, FTC, FRC teams. Alternately I have viewed the Engineering Inspiration Award as encompassing more efforts not necessarily associated with FIRST, as well as emphasizing STEM related outreach as opposed to more charitable efforts like Relay For Life or Special Olympics. Of course, that is just my personal interpretation since it is not explicitly spelled out in the award criteria.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 View Post
To your first point. makes sense to me.

TO #2: That is not it at all. What they are trying to do is standardize what it means to "start" ,"mentor" ,"assist" , teams. It is in no way stating how this is going to be weighted.

I do have a questions about how this is going to be enforced, if it was ever intended to be. Why have the second part of the definitions here at all unless there needs to be some sort of supporting documentation required or each mentored team listed? It makes no sense otherwise.
^ An excellent point! Stating the requirement of agreement of the receiving team certainly implies that there will be some sort of validation or expectation of follow-up.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #21   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 10:21
Lil' Lavery Lil' Lavery is offline
TSIMFD
AKA: Sean Lavery
FRC #1712 (DAWGMA)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,634
Lil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Lil' Lavery
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

I do know of one instance where a Team X claimed to have mentored Team Y. Some set of judges asked Team Y about this, and Team Y did not agree. Team X was removed from contention for Chairman's.

It may not happen all the time, but it does happen.
__________________
Being correct doesn't mean you don't have to explain yourself.
Reply With Quote
  #22   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 13:28
JB987 JB987 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Joe Barry
FRC #0987 (HIGH ROLLERS)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: May 2006
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: LAS VEGAS
Posts: 1,175
JB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

"^ My interpretation has long been that the Chairman's Award does emphasize outreach within the FIRST community. This has also been reinforced with the updated short answer questions in the last couple of years that specifically asked about interactions with and encouragement of other JFLL, FLL, FTC, FRC teams. "

I can think of at least 2 recent CCA teams that focused a lot of time and energy on Vex based outreach...I hope that openness to other programs promoting STEM growth is still in effect. If FIRST CA judges are going to weigh alternative program use as outreach less than FLL, FTC, etc. then I would hope they clarify that asap.
__________________
"A genius is just a talented person who does his homework" T. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #23   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 13:53
AllenGregoryIV's Avatar
AllenGregoryIV AllenGregoryIV is offline
Engineering Coach
AKA: Allen "JAG" Gregory
FRC #3847 (Spectrum)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,557
AllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to AllenGregoryIV
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by JB987 View Post
I can think of at least 2 recent CCA teams that focused a lot of time and energy on Vex based outreach...I hope that openness to other programs promoting STEM growth is still in effect. If FIRST CA judges are going to weigh alternative program use as outreach less than FLL, FTC, etc. then I would hope they clarify that asap.
I agree, the changes to the questions and this form both seem like that is the way FIRST is heading with out directly telling teams that.

There are a lot of schools and students who don't have every opportunity to be on a robotics teams, any type of competitive STEM team. It's my belief that we should all be trying to support the grow of all STEM education. I love FRC but there are tones of schools where an FRC team just doesn't make sense, maybe FTC does, or VEX, BEST, Botball, Trinity Firefighting, OCCRA, MATE, or any of the other dozens of programs that want to inspire students to learn more about STEM.

I'd be interested to know how the HOF teams felt about this since the way the blog reads these definitions were published by them.
__________________

Team 647 | Cyber Wolf Corps | Alumni | 2003-2006 | Shoemaker HS
Team 2587 | DiscoBots | Mentor | 2008-2011 | Rice University / Houston Food Bank
Team 3847 | Spectrum | Coach | 2012-20... | St Agnes Academy
LRI | Alamo Regional | 2014-20...
"Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
Reply With Quote
  #24   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 14:12
Lil' Lavery Lil' Lavery is offline
TSIMFD
AKA: Sean Lavery
FRC #1712 (DAWGMA)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 6,634
Lil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond reputeLil' Lavery has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Lil' Lavery
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the discounting of other STEM initiatives varies heavily from judge crew to judge crew. I know presenters from various teams have definitely come away with the impression that FIRST-related activities were weighted more heavily, based on judge questions. However, results seem to be a mix.
__________________
Being correct doesn't mean you don't have to explain yourself.
Reply With Quote
  #25   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 14:27
AllenGregoryIV's Avatar
AllenGregoryIV AllenGregoryIV is offline
Engineering Coach
AKA: Allen "JAG" Gregory
FRC #3847 (Spectrum)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,557
AllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond reputeAllenGregoryIV has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to AllenGregoryIV
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery View Post
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the discounting of other STEM initiatives varies heavily from judge crew to judge crew. I know presenters from various teams have definitely come away with the impression that FIRST-related activities were weighted more heavily, based on judge questions. However, results seem to be a mix.
That I agree with, my worry is what is being told to judges in training. If CA judges are all being told to limit the importance of spreading STEM through other means besides FIRST programs, to me that greatly changes the meaning of the award.
__________________

Team 647 | Cyber Wolf Corps | Alumni | 2003-2006 | Shoemaker HS
Team 2587 | DiscoBots | Mentor | 2008-2011 | Rice University / Houston Food Bank
Team 3847 | Spectrum | Coach | 2012-20... | St Agnes Academy
LRI | Alamo Regional | 2014-20...
"Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
Reply With Quote
  #26   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 15:10
MechEng83's Avatar
MechEng83 MechEng83 is offline
Lead Mentor/Engineer
AKA: Mr. Cool
FRC #1741 (Red Alert)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: May 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Indiana
Posts: 617
MechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by JB987 View Post
I can think of at least 2 recent CCA teams that focused a lot of time and energy on Vex based outreach...I hope that openness to other programs promoting STEM growth is still in effect. If FIRST CA judges are going to weigh alternative program use as outreach less than FLL, FTC, etc. then I would hope they clarify that asap.
And I can think of at least one of the Chairman's videos being changed to say "other robotics teams" when released to the public rather than "VEX robotics teams" (which was the version shown live at the Championship).

It's also been no secret that the Chairman's award focuses on FIRST related outreach, especially with the changes to the online submission short answers questions starting in 2014.

I doubt you're going to ever hear FIRST say "We don't value non-FIRST outreach" In stead, they've made it clear they have emphasis on FIRST-related outreach.
__________________

2016 INWLA GP| INWCH Entrepreneurship | INPMH DCA | INCMP Team Spirit | CAGE Match Winner (w/ 1747 &868), Finalist (1471 w/ 1529 & 1018), Best Fans
2015 ININD Judges Award, Proud "Phyxed Red Card" alliance partners of 1529 & 1720 | INWLA EI | INCMP GP
2014 Boilermaker Creativity | Chesapeake Finalist, Safety, GP, Entrepreneurship | IN State Championship Winner (w/ 868 & 1018) | CAGE Match Winner (w/ 1024, 5402 & 1646)
2013 Boilermaker RCA, Innovation in Controls, Finalist | Crossroads Entrepreneurship | Newton Semi-finalist
2012 Boilermaker Entrepreneurship | Queen City EI | Curie Semi-finalist
2011 Boilermaker RCA, Entrepreneurship
Red Alert Robotics
Reply With Quote
  #27   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 15:15
JB987 JB987 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Joe Barry
FRC #0987 (HIGH ROLLERS)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: May 2006
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: LAS VEGAS
Posts: 1,175
JB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond reputeJB987 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

It may help to keep checking Frank's Blog to see direct responses from him regarding some of the questions in this thread...


Receiving team documentation

Permalink Submitted by Frank Merrick on Tue, 10/13/2015 - 10:24.

"Hi Liron. We had talked about requiring some documentation briefly, but did not want to turn this into a legalistic exercise. Our working assumption is that most teams, in keeping with the ethos of Gracious Professionalism, will not mislead about their support for other teams, once presented with reasonable definitions they are told they must adhere to. With the number of teams applying for Chairman's Award, some percentage certainly will still intentionally mislead, but we don't want to punish those who don't by requiring additional paperwork."
__________________
"A genius is just a talented person who does his homework" T. Edison
Reply With Quote
  #28   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 15:20
MechEng83's Avatar
MechEng83 MechEng83 is offline
Lead Mentor/Engineer
AKA: Mr. Cool
FRC #1741 (Red Alert)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: May 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Indiana
Posts: 617
MechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond reputeMechEng83 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Related to the definitions in the new document,
I'm glad FIRST is providing these definitions. It will be helpful for teams in several ways.

Now teams have clearly defined terms they can use when writing Chairman's Essays.
Also, teams will have a standardized set of terms/measures with which they can compare themselves to other teams to know if they're really doing what they should be in terms of helping other teams.
Lastly, it may help motivate some teams to move from an assist role to a mentor role or a mentor role to a start role.

In the 2nd portion, it also clarifies a somewhat muddy distinction between "running" an event and just helping.
__________________

2016 INWLA GP| INWCH Entrepreneurship | INPMH DCA | INCMP Team Spirit | CAGE Match Winner (w/ 1747 &868), Finalist (1471 w/ 1529 & 1018), Best Fans
2015 ININD Judges Award, Proud "Phyxed Red Card" alliance partners of 1529 & 1720 | INWLA EI | INCMP GP
2014 Boilermaker Creativity | Chesapeake Finalist, Safety, GP, Entrepreneurship | IN State Championship Winner (w/ 868 & 1018) | CAGE Match Winner (w/ 1024, 5402 & 1646)
2013 Boilermaker RCA, Innovation in Controls, Finalist | Crossroads Entrepreneurship | Newton Semi-finalist
2012 Boilermaker Entrepreneurship | Queen City EI | Curie Semi-finalist
2011 Boilermaker RCA, Entrepreneurship
Red Alert Robotics
Reply With Quote
  #29   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 15:23
Jon Stratis's Avatar
Jon Stratis Jon Stratis is offline
Electrical/Programming Mentor
FRC #2177 (The Robettes)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,791
Jon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond reputeJon Stratis has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

Quote:
Originally Posted by JB987 View Post
It may help to keep checking Frank's Blog to see direct responses from him regarding some of the questions in this thread...


Receiving team documentation

Permalink Submitted by Frank Merrick on Tue, 10/13/2015 - 10:24.

"Hi Liron. We had talked about requiring some documentation briefly, but did not want to turn this into a legalistic exercise. Our working assumption is that most teams, in keeping with the ethos of Gracious Professionalism, will not mislead about their support for other teams, once presented with reasonable definitions they are told they must adhere to. With the number of teams applying for Chairman's Award, some percentage certainly will still intentionally mislead, but we don't want to punish those who don't by requiring additional paperwork."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Stratis View Post
Does it need to be enforced? Or does the FIRST ethos of Gracious Professionalism ensure that there's no need to enforce it, so long as everyone is aware of a consistent set of definitions?
I wonder where Frank got that particular phrase from Hi Frank!
__________________
2007 - Present: Mentor, 2177 The Robettes
LRI: North Star 2012-2016; Lake Superior 2013-2014; MN State Tournament 2013-2014, 2016; Galileo 2016; Iowa 2017
2015: North Star Regional Volunteer of the Year
2016: Lake Superior WFFA
Reply With Quote
  #30   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-10-2015, 16:32
Ed Law's Avatar
Ed Law Ed Law is offline
Registered User
no team (formerly with 2834)
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Foster City, CA, USA
Posts: 752
Ed Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond reputeEd Law has a reputation beyond repute
Re: [FRC Blog] Chairman’s Award Submissions Definitions

I actually did laugh out loud when I saw this.

"Team A creates and publishes a scouting database compiling statistical data from competitions, and the database is downloaded and used by other Teams"

There are only a couple of teams that publish scouting databases. There are a few more if you include scouting apps. I know my previous team did mention the scouting database as part of the Community Service Slide. I also know they never claimed the other teams that downloaded the file as being "mentored" or "assisted" in their chairman's presentation.

So it is either (a) some team did claim that or (b) somebody thinks that a team like ours had claimed that but not sure so adding this clarification will make sure it does not happen. Either way it is sad we have to come to that.
__________________
Please don't call me Mr. Ed, I am not a talking horse.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:22.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi