Sheet metal vs Tubing Chassis

[EricLeifermann]

Having a sheet metal sponsor is awesome but the hard part is having the skill and knowledge to utilize them properly.

If there are people on your team with the knowledge of sheet metal take advantage of it. If not reach out to teams who do or hold off and experiment and prototype and get good at it then bring it into your robot design.

[IronicDeadBird]

My basic understanding of materials is that if you look at a lot of top teams that consistently put out solid robots is that they consistently use a set group of materials to make their robot. Instead of asking which is "better" considering the metal sponsor take this year as a learning expedition and contact as many teams as you can that fully utilize sheet metal and just learn.

[cxcad]

How much can they commit?
Have you thought about using a hybrid system of 2x1 and flat panel parts? That way your sponsor doesn't have to worry about bending the parts and there will be a reduced learning curve for the team and a possible faster turn around time.

[jkelleyrtp]

Originally Posted by cxcad

How much can they commit?
Have you thought about using a hybrid system of 2x1 and flat panel parts? That way your sponsor doesn't have to worry about bending the parts and there will be a reduced learning curve for the team and a possible faster turn around time.

We're not too sure at the moment as we just obtained the sponsor. I hear the standard turnaround time seems to be a week or so, but I have yet to find out what ours will be.

My personal factors in the chassis are
•$@#Learning Curve
• Ease of fabrication
• Strength
• Weight

For right now, it's fairly easy for us to put build tube-based structures and I want us to learn more, but the amount of knowledge to pull off an entire sheet chassis might be too high. Thanks for the input guys.

[Electronica1]

Originally Posted by jkelleyrtp

We're not too sure at the moment as we just obtained the sponsor.

Most important thing when it come to using sheet metal effectively is understanding exactly what your sponsors capabilities are. Once you understand that and understand what the turn around time is, you can decide what to do with sheet metal.


But once you get good at it and get the logistics worked out for a fast turn around, it will open up a lot of doors for you. If possible, you should try to get them to make a few parts for you before the season starts so you can get an idea of the turn around time and the quality of the parts.

[philso]

Originally Posted by jkelleyrtp

We're not too sure at the moment as we just obtained the sponsor. I hear the standard turnaround time seems to be a week or so, but I have yet to find out what ours will be.

Be sure you understand the risks. You may want to start with non-critical parts that you can design early in the build season and that you can replace with parts that your team fabricates without the help of your sponsor. That "week or so" can easily get pushed out to a month or so when your sponsor gets a paying gig. This is assuming that they are donating the time and material to your team. I have situations where the delivery time for my prototype parts for work (that we pay to get made) be pushed out by our Purchasing Manager due to the capacity being needed for production parts

[lewislongbottom]

Our team used sheet-metal parts last year on both our chassis and multiple mechanisms, we learnt quite a few things... Mainly that by adding flanges to plates, you can greatly enhance the strength of parts even if the flange isn't long. The small things make a difference. We had a great turnaround time of 3-4 days so that was awesome. One thing to note is that a relationship with a fabrication sponsor can be greatly improved if you have strong communication with them, in other words, be very organized and straight forward and respect that they are providing this service free of charge and that you aren't their top priority. P.S. (Using the same software as your Fab Sponsor is also great because they can easily make changes to the part if necessary, and again helps in communication)

We have designed a WCD Chain-In Tube chassis this off-season, so we are wanting to see how that comes out. It does provide quite a lot of advantages, but with any system there are dis-advantages. We really like designing with "tubes", either it be 1" x 1" or 2" x 1". Interfacing your superstructure with your chassis can be difficult for some teams, but if you use a similar construction and design method, it can be somewhat simplified.

Good Luck! And congrats with going to Worlds last season, it was our first time too!!

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by jkelleyrtp

My personal factors in the chassis are
•$@#Learning Curve
• Ease of fabrication
• Strength
• Weight

This guy really doesn't like learning curves!

[GeeTwo]

As all have said above, it's a matter of what works best for you. We've never used tubing for the chassis, and only used sheet metal as part of a kit chassis. Our second and third robots were made of extrusion (6063, I believe), a combination of c-channel and angle with a bit of bar and plate here and there.

Don't let your new sponsor's first custom part be your chassis! Design some smaller parts like custom mounting brackets for them to fabricate first, so you can verify that the flanges and holes end up where you expected them.

[D_Price]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

My basic understanding of materials is that if you look at a lot of top teams that consistently put out solid robots is that they consistently use a set group of materials to make their robot. Instead of asking which is "better" considering the metal sponsor take this year as a learning expedition and contact as many teams as you can that fully utilize sheet metal and just learn.

On top of this. Once the build season starts figure out how you want your robot to function and how you want to implement those functions. I know from personal experience and trudging through a glorious 12 seasons so far that we've used everything from the KOP, Tubing, sheet metal, etc. It all depends on our game plan for the upcoming/current build season and what we would like to accomplish during the comp.