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Unread 05-11-2015, 08:54
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Re: Venturi Pump legality

1311 (Kell) did use them last year on their tote manipulator. So never say never. The totes have a rigid surface for the suction cup to stick to which probably easier to get the initial seal than a tube. The eductors are very air hungry.
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Re: Venturi Pump legality

So what I'm reading is that they would have been legal, but some believe the amount of air necessary to achieve the vacuum would be difficult given the equipment available.

To clarify our position and perhaps make our case for future use, I've attached a couple of pictures. The first are the suction cups used to attach to the totes and bin. Any roughness of a surface is accounted for by the foam "lips" on the cups seen in the picture. We were able to pick up totes from all side as well as the bins from any angle.

The second picture was a device to monitor the vacuum. This shut off the air supply once the vacuum was achieved to prevent unnecessary pressure loss.

I think this would have been a really neat application, but I was just too uneasy about its legality as well as practicality given the provided equipment.

Thanks for your input and I thought I would share this for anyone else's use in the future!
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Re: Venturi Pump legality

The only inspection issue that I think you would have to address with that Venturi device (not the suction cups which are down stream, but just the first photo device) is that as a connected pneumatics part it must be officially certified to pass the required FRC pressure rating rules.
For instance, you would need a spec sheet for the device that it is rated for 120psi or greater (or whatever the season rules might specify).
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Re: Venturi Pump legality

I strongly suspect that you could get far more vacuum with a vacuum pump (fitted with an FRC-compliant motor) than Venturi behind a 1 cfm compressor. Another alternative would be a vacuum cleaner or a squirrel-cage fan with a duct sealed over the intake, either powered by an FRC motor; this would be less expensive, and the modification would probably be easier.
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