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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

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I would like to see teams using retroreflective tape on the standards. This could theoretically enable teams to find known landmarks on the field for better autonomous.

Actually, it doesn't even need to be retroreflective really, just a color and shape you can identify at a distance. I'm seriously going to ask one of our students for a unique Zebracorn logo for this purpose.

EDIT: As pointed out below, the retroreflective tape idea is a no-go.
Couldn't you put the retroflective tape on the back (field facing side) of your driver station? I don't recall any size or height restrictions on the drive station.
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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

Personally, I have no issue with giving teams the option of making a Standard.
It will work well with this year's theme, but we may not see it in future games. It just doesn't make sense to mount Standards above the DS if that area of the field will be used for scoring.

We will make use of this opportunity to have a few students (read that "just 2 or 3") use this as an engineering exercise. We were give limitations, and goal objectives. So, we will use them to design our Standard.

Besides, has anyone given any thought to the possibility that this opportunity to build a Standard this year was the entire reason to have the "Teaser video" in the first place? I wouldn't put it past the GDC to head fake us like that.
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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

Not sure if this has been brung up or not, but I found these two sentences from the blog post interesting. Emphasis mine:

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The Team Standard is completely optional. There is no element of FIRST STRONGHOLD you won’t be able to play if you don’t create a standard. There will simply be an empty spot over your player station during your matches where your standard would have been displayed.

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Further, the Team Standard is not an inspection item. Inspectors will not be measuring your Team Standard to make sure it meets requirements before you will be allowed to bring it to the field. However, you should be aware that as Team Standards will be hung over player stations, oversized or otherwise improperly constructed Standards do have the potential to interfere either with game play or with the ability of spectators to see the match. If a referee or other official believes a Team Standard does not meet requirements, it may be checked. If found to not meet requirements, it will be removed from the field.
Now, that first part is interesting. If there's nothing up there (scoring wise) already, how can there be an "empty spot" -- wouldn't the entire area be one large empty spot in that case? I see "empty" to mean that there is other stuff up there, and the standard fills a "gap" or sorts. Or does it?

Second paragraph, seems to indicate that the standard could interfere with gameplay if not the right size -- does this again point to scoring elements above the DS? Or Do they mean that if one is too tall, it could fall and hurt someone, etc.?

Just two sentences I had noticed that seemed unusual...
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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

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Not sure if this has been brung up or not, but I found these two sentences from the blog post interesting. ...
I was thinking the same thing just before I read your post. There will be less than 4' of horizontal space consumed by standards, that leaves about 23' for other stuff.
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..., that leaves about 23' for other stuff.
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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

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Now, that first part is interesting. If there's nothing up there (scoring wise) already, how can there be an "empty spot" -- wouldn't the entire area be one large empty spot in that case? I see "empty" to mean that there is other stuff up there, and the standard fills a "gap" or sorts. Or does it?

Second paragraph, seems to indicate that the standard could interfere with gameplay if not the right size -- does this again point to scoring elements above the DS? Or Do they mean that if one is too tall, it could fall and hurt someone, etc.?

Just two sentences I had noticed that seemed unusual...
I interpreted that to mean that it "improperly constructed" could interfere with the match if it falls on the field or has some material that proves distracting for robots/drive teams (i.e. strobing lights). A standard that is "oversized" could interfere with people trying to view the matches.

I doubt there will be any goals near these standards as it would take away from the cool aesthetic of seeing banners above driver's stations. We're probably looking at a ground level, non-shooting game for 2016.
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Well there goes that idea...
All I could think of is the retro-reflective frisbee that got taped to my shirt for the match with 20 and 900 in quals in 2014.

If any team was going to use the banners like that, it was going to be the Zebracorns.
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All I could think of is the retro-reflective frisbee that got taped to my shirt for the match with 20 and 900 in quals in 2014.

If any team was going to use the banners like that, it was going to be the Zebracorns.
That was great! Except when you were standing next to me at Champs, where I was refereeing your division, and I kept thinking they were going to miss you and take me out instead...
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Re: FRC Blog - Something New - Team 'Standards'

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All I could think of is the retro-reflective frisbee that got taped to my shirt for the match with 20 and 900 in quals in 2014.

If any team was going to use the banners like that, it was going to be the Zebracorns.
We've got other tricks now. We're using RitR this weekend as an excuse to test some new stuff.
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We've got other tricks now. We're using RitR this weekend as an excuse to test some new stuff.
Well now that you've said that I'm going to need to see it...
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I almost wish everyone had to submit their team logo and like 2 color choices and FIRST would make/print them so they all look uniform. I think that would be the correct way to do it and make it look professional.

most teams can't even make good looking bumpers....
However there are some teams, like mine that logo is owned by a company that is not willing to release it to us. In essence, it may work for most teams, but not all.
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However there are some teams, like mine that logo is owned by a company that is not willing to release it to us. In essence, it may work for most teams, but not all.
Yeah, design standards can be strict sometimes...
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Yeah, design standards can be strict sometimes...
So standards design standards are not standardized?
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