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| View Poll Results: Why do teams succeed | |||
| They have 1-3 great mentors |
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37 | 38.95% |
| They have 4-6 great mentors |
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27 | 28.42% |
| They have 6+ great mentors |
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33 | 34.74% |
| They have 1-3 great teachers |
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27 | 28.42% |
| They have 4-6 great teachers |
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9 | 9.47% |
| They have 6+ great teachers |
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10 | 10.53% |
| They have an annual operating budget of $15-$30k |
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11 | 11.58% |
| They have an annual operating budget of $30-$60k |
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29 | 30.53% |
| They have an annual operating budget of $60-$100k |
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19 | 20.00% |
| They have an annual operating budget of $100k+ |
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21 | 22.11% |
| They have access to a build space 15-30 hours a week |
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10 | 10.53% |
| They have access to a build space 30-60 hours a week |
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41 | 43.16% |
| They have access to a build space 60+ hours a week |
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39 | 41.05% |
| They have access to a simple machine shop (5 or fewer manual tools) |
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18 | 18.95% |
| They have access to a good machine shop (5+ manual tools and CNC tools) |
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50 | 52.63% |
| They have access a sponsor who fabricates parts |
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33 | 34.74% |
| They have a mentor for each technical discipline |
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44 | 46.32% |
| They have a mentor for each admin position |
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23 | 24.21% |
| They have school support |
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28 | 29.47% |
| They have a lot of school support |
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31 | 32.63% |
| They have 15-30 students |
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25 | 26.32% |
| They have 30-60 students |
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36 | 37.89% |
| They have 60+ students |
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14 | 14.74% |
| They have a feeder progra that starts in middle school |
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23 | 24.21% |
| They have a feeder progra that starts in grade school |
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15 | 15.79% |
| Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
What is success?
Is it a victory on the field? Is it a trophy or banner? Is it doubling the number of students (compared to the past for the area served by the team) who choose a STEM vocation after grade school? Is it evolving into a K-12 spectrum of diverse STEM programs that involves 20% of the area's students, at one time or another, in a non-trivial, out-of-class, STEM activity (biology, meteorology, FLL, VIQ, FTC, VRC, FRC, BEST, AUSV, SeaPerch, Cyber Defense, rocketry/drones, Eco/Solar House, ...)? Is it simply percolating along, annually involving 5% of a school in an inspirational STEM activity, while staying on budget and on schedule? Is it playing a key role in convincing families and businesses that they want to move into an area because children will get a good education there? What is success for FRC??? What does your School Board think success is? Is it reminding the community to re-elect the school board, because the board "gets it"? Blake PS: If it all gets too complicated, just return to the basics. Expose as many *students* as you can, to fun opportunities, that didn't exist for *them* before the team(s) existed. Last edited by gblake : 16-11-2015 at 00:03. |
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
Sounds like you may be beating your own dead horse here - I think it's pretty clear what form of success the thread is discussing.
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
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I'd also argue that all of the teams the OP listed are perennially successful both on and off the field, and that both are noble goals. Back to the OP's question though, there are incredibly successful teams that satisfy a ton of the conditions listed in your poll. 973 has less than 20 students if I recall, while 20 has over 100. Both teams can be said to have had great, incredibly successful seasons the past 4 years. There are successful teams with a ton of resources and successful teams with significantly less resources. 5254 had an incredibly successful season this past year, and all we have is a chopsaw and the ability to buy VexPro parts, something any team should be able to do. The ingredients for repeated success is less about the number of students and the amount of resources, but more about the dedication and drive than anything else. One of the things about 5254 that has made us successful in 2015 is our head mentor, Roy Westwater. He pushes the team like a sports coach. He cares if we win or lose, and he wants every student on the team to feel like that too. He's established a certain culture in the past two seasons that not only generates success from within, but it also attracts others who have the same kind of drive. Once a certain culture on a team is established, it's difficult to change- whether that be for the better or for the worse. When I joined Team 20 my freshman year of high school in 2011, we were in the midst of a culture change brought about by a long-time mentor leaving the team. Between 2011 and 2013 the team changed dramatically, and you could see the results on the field. In 2011 we were the last overall selection at the BAE Granite State Regional. In 2013 we seeded 1st and 2nd at our regionals, winning one and losing in the finals at the other. That's the type of culture change that's difficult to bring about. Our head mentor on Team 20, Rose Barra, was a major catalyst for that change, along with others on 20 that really stepped up and helped put our priorities in line. This ended up being a fairly long post. In summary: success can be defined multiple ways, passion and drive do more than anything else to drive success, and culture is hard to change once it's established. |
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
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I don't say that to attack the OP, or their immediate intention, but to instead just get them to think twice about whether they are asking the right question. School Boards often define success differently than individual teams do... If the OP isn't interested in my thoughts, they can easily ignore them. Blake |
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
We are interested in any and every take on the question.
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
Someday I'd like to visit one of the teams listed, to see if spending time with them would give any extra insight. Until I get that chance, I think I agree with Karthik. What success 1339 has had has been largely due to a passion to see students do well in one of the best experiences available at the high school level. That led (after years of floundering) to finding resources (like CD), and to better organization, and to hard work. The passion has grown and spread since 2012 and we've had several good years. Each year we are working harder and earlier in the year, and I fully expect that this year's crew will have a fantastic season as a result of the time, passion and effort they are putting in right now. I know we aren't on anyone's radar, but I'm thrilled with what our team has made possible for our students.
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
My first thought on reading OP was to essentially write gblake's post above. +1!
Also, as I posted earlier this afternoon on the "fold" thread: We won our first Blue Banner at Bayou this year. I had dyed my beard green, yelled myself hoarse, and was every bit as thrilled as I was when the Pirates won the World Series in 1971 and 1979 or when the Saints won the Super Bowl at the end of the 2008 season, and even more proud as I had helped it happen. However, the real tug on the heartstrings came at the next team meeting. While we knew that we had plenty of work to do, we gave the students the floor to express what the team meant to them, fully aware that it might take hours. We almost got some "work" done, but at the last call, J. took the offer. He didn't settle for the floor, but the little guy stood on a table. I had known J. for at least four years already, as his family attended my church. Four years ago, J. was painfully introverted. PAINFULLY. Gixxy helped him through an out-of-state mission trip, and then FRC brought him out of his shell more recently. The team was a key part of FIXING A PERSON. That's success in my book that goes way, way beyond a blue banner. J's story was followed by at least a dozen more (all delivered while standing on the table, now that the precedent was established). Every one of them was pushed from a life of mediocrity or insignificance towards a life helping people live better lives. A dozen such stories constitutes unqualified team success in my book. I'm not going to claim that we've achieved the same level of success as 148, 254, 118, or 1114, but I also know that no one will ever convince me that I was wasting my time; that's unqualified success by my criteria. I have not answered the poll, as I do not understand its criteria. Last edited by GeeTwo : 16-11-2015 at 00:11. |
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Sometimes, just sometimes, school boards can outline their definition of success differently than what teachers, an individual school, and their respective community thinks. The culture and beliefs of our program are in line with our school community, IMO. |
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Re: Why Do Teams Succeed
I am a student so I obviously don't have as much experience as many of the other people who have already posted in this thread, but I am most successful when I am absolutely in love with what I am doing and when I am doing everything I can possibly do to be successful.
I know there are circumstances where just working hard won't cut it, but I'm sure that no team will be successful without working hard (and smart) in the first place. |
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