Go to Post If you don't like contact, your robot is not built well enough. - sanddrag [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Programming > Java
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 25-11-2015, 21:30
GeeTwo's Avatar
GeeTwo GeeTwo is offline
Technical Director
AKA: Gus Michel II
FRC #3946 (Tiger Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Rookie Year: 2013
Location: Slidell, LA
Posts: 3,574
GeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond reputeGeeTwo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Oscillating Motor - PID Subsystem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asymons View Post
Thanks for the advice. Once you read the details, I have a couple of questions: Are you suggesting I should add in the derivative of error to fix the oscillation of the motor?
No, just to use a non-zero, probably constant value of D. It is convenient to think of D as standing for dampening as well as derivative.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asymons View Post
How would the tuning work if the system has an issue with just a P-closed loop essentially? Would that not continue having error in the sense of a continued oscillation?
A P-only PID feedback system is (assuming that the mechanical system is linear) is mathematically identical to an undamped spring-and-mass; you would expect it to oscillate for a long time. When the system is far from the target, it is accelerated towards the target. By the time it reaches the target, it has significant speed, but there is no frictional term to slow it down, so it overshoots. You have essentially made a system in which F=kx (Hooke's Law). In terms of a differential equation, it becomes the simple x''=(k/m)x, where k/m is proportional to your P term. If you have done calculus 1 it is easy to verify that one solution to this equation is x=sin(sqrt(k/m)t), that is displacement is described as an undamped sine wave. Some sort of friction term is required to dissipate the initial "potential energy"; neither P nor I do this. Both D and mechanical friction will dampen the oscillations.
__________________

If you can't find time to do it right, how are you going to find time to do it over?
If you don't pass it on, it never happened.
Robots are great, but inspiration is the reason we're here.
Friends don't let friends use master links.

Last edited by GeeTwo : 25-11-2015 at 21:32.
Reply With Quote
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:16.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi