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Re: 1114 and 2056 Release Videos?

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Playing Devils advocate you could make a great release video in a day with a couple of people. With a team the size of 1114 I'm sure they have the resource and time to make a video.
What size of team do you expect they have?
From what I recall they have a smaller team than what you would expect.

The time used to make the video could easily be used towards practice or iteration of their robot instead of something that doesn't give anything back at least competitively to the team.

We are lucky that 1114 and other teams even post their engineering notebook and CAD of their robots to the public. It is something optional that they do I believe to help the community.
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Re: 1114 and 2056 Release Videos?

A few of the reasons we don't, have already been mentioned but I'll explain a bit more.

It's not really the competitive advantage, is more time, resources and knowledge.

We spend all of our time practicing, programming, and reiterating or robot. There's is no down time during this time of the season. We need to spend as much time as possible using our competition robot before it's bagged. While on 772 we started making release videos and it always took hours to record footage.

We never finish our robot. I've never felt like we are done the robot anymore, it's constant improvements, so it's hard to record a finished robot when we're never actually finished.

I'm sure most people think we have a huge team, but we really don't. Last year we had a larger than normal team, 25 students signed up. And of that not everyone comes and works all the time. During this time most people are doing important work, like programming, driving, reiterating.

We don't have anyone skilled in this area, or anyone showing interest in it. I know I asked about it when I first joined the team, and I was told no body on the team shows any interest in that type of thing. So we're not going to force a student to spend hours and hours making a video that they don't want to make.

I completely get it, I used to hope and hope for a video from 1114 and 2056, but now I understand why they/we don't make one.

We try and help out and inspire as many teams and students as possible. Which is why we release all of our CAD, programming, tutorials, presentations and more. Tour videos would be a good idea, but we already kind of do this type of thing with our engineering note book, it's just not made in video form. You can also look at our prototyping videos we recently uploaded to our YouTube channel to see what happens throughout the season on our team.
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Re: 1114 and 2056 Release Videos?

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We never finish our robot. I've never felt like we are done the robot anymore, it's constant improvements, so it's hard to record a finished robot when we're never actually finished.
This is so true. I only felt like our robot last year was close to done at IRI, even then there was plenty of room for improvement. Each day of the build season is very precious, and it shows just how effectively 1114 uses their time when they come out of the gate so strong each year while many other top teams play catch-up throughout the competition timeframe.

However, I have to qualify this by saying the reveal videos are fun to be able to show off your creation in a cool way. I enjoyed staying up late to make them, but I imagine it's tough when no one is interested.
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Re: 1114 and 2056 Release Videos?

I don't know about you guys but I enjoy most release videos because of the snazzy music. Something about 118 dropping stacks and "Up Up and Away" in the background just gets me really pumped for the competition season.
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Playing Devils advocate you could make a great release video in a day with a couple of people. With a team the size of 1114 I'm sure they have the resource and time to make a video.
Even if all of the effort of a release video was filming (it isn't), losing a whole day of robot time at the end of build season to shoot a reveal video is huge. The only way my old team ever managed to do it is if we had someone film all the video during driver practice, and then worked on the editing after ship day, usually rushing the video along in an already busy season. If you have a media team that doesn't have a robot task to do at the moment, it can work, but not for relatively small teams.
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Re: 1114 and 2056 Release Videos?

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Even if all of the effort of a release video was filming (it isn't), losing a whole day of robot time at the end of build season to shoot a reveal video is huge. The only way my old team ever managed to do it is if we had someone film all the video during driver practice, and then worked on the editing after ship day, usually rushing the video along in an already busy season. If you have a media team that doesn't have a robot task to do at the moment, it can work, but not for relatively small teams.
+1 to this.

All 2826 videos are generally done with the practice robot, after stop build day, and generally shot while our drivers are actually practicing. The time needed to do this isn't worth it during build season and we are making so many changes throughout build and competition time that the videos we do post aren't what we compete with.
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Even if all of the effort of a release video was filming (it isn't), losing a whole day of robot time at the end of build season to shoot a reveal video is huge. The only way my old team ever managed to do it is if we had someone film all the video during driver practice, and then worked on the editing after ship day, usually rushing the video along in an already busy season. If you have a media team that doesn't have a robot task to do at the moment, it can work, but not for relatively small teams.
We did a reveal video for the first time. This year on our off season bot. We finished the bot the day before the competition and I had one of our members use my rig to film it. I combined it with clips from earlier in the build and we had a reveal video. I have a very good editing work flow and can a reveal video edited and uploaded in an hour. (I'm willing to help any teams in that area). I love reveal videos. I've watched all of the videos in the last 2 years of Playlists.

A point I saw in what the representative from 1114 said was that no one expressed interest in that area. If no team member likes filming has their own equipment and are willing to edit it at home on their own time, then yes it is not worth it.

We now have a dedicated video team and we are shooting a documentary. If anyone in the lower NY area wants a reveal video done we can help you guys out. Also if anyone wants me to edit it I can do it for you or send it to my editor.
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For 1114, there's a third reason... but just referencing it brings up bad memories.
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(By the way, I have no idea what this "third reason" is; 1114 only made a video in 2009, and I don't remember anything super out of the ordinary about how they were treated that year. Nobody copied them or whatever...)
Don't worry Chris, I honestly have zero idea of what he's talking about as well.

Aaron covered all the relevant points above. Sure we would love to have an awesome reveal video like 118, 148, 254, or 610, but it's just not up our alley. Maybe it would have been possible back in 2012 when we had the group of students who made our Chairman's video, but even with that type of talent it still comes down to resource allocation. So maybe one day if we end up with the right group of students and mentors who are passionate about this sort of thing it'll come together, but until that point there sadly won't be any release videos from us.
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Don't worry Chris, I honestly have zero idea of what he's talking about as well.
I was referring to the chance of catching audio of one or more 1114 members singing. I may have to see if I can find a working link to that IRI Talent Show act from some years back... but from what I can remember I'll leave my speakers off.

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