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Ranking Points

My understanding from reading the rues is there are 2 things that give you points towards ranking.

1) Breaching the defenses.
2) Capturing the tower.

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Re: Ranking Points

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My understanding from reading the rues is there are 2 things that give you points towards ranking.

1) Breaching the defenses.
2) Capturing the tower.

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3, actually. Win the match (or tie).
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Re: Ranking Points

so are these being used as the to determine Qual ranking, or is it still on points?
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so are these being used as the to determine Qual ranking, or is it still on points?
Read section 5.4.35.3.4.

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Read section 5.4.3.
The playoff match bracket does not explain anything. Am i misreading something?

5.3.3 Does state that they are used, but in what way will points (NOT RP) be used in qualification matches? are they useless then?
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The playoff match bracket does not explain anything. Am i misreading something?

5.3.3 Does state that they are used, but in what way will points (NOT RP) be used in qualification matches? are they useless then?
They determine win/loss/tie, which is worth half the possible ranking points.
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The playoff match bracket does not explain anything. Am i misreading something?

5.3.3 Does state that they are used, but in what way will points (NOT RP) be used in qualification matches? are they useless then?
My apologies for my (too) quick fingers. Check 5.3.4.
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Re: Ranking Points

Does anyone know if it is illegal to travel over a defensive wall thing more than 2 times?
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Does anyone know if it is illegal to travel over a defensive wall thing more than 2 times?
I have not found a rule against it. Have you?

P.S. so that someone with the same question can find it later, please call defenses by the official term.
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My apologies for my (too) quick fingers. Check 5.3.4.
again, do you mean 5.3.3? that just says that teams are seeded from 1 to N, N being the number of teams. This also does not explain the use of points in Qual's if RP is used
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again, do you mean 5.3.3? that just says that teams are seeded from 1 to N, N being the number of teams. This also does not explain the use of points in Qual's if RP is used
5.3.4 also states the sorting criteria for ranking. The first being Ranking Score. 5.3.3 states that Ranking Points make up the Ranking Score.

The use of points (earned by scoring boulders in goals and by crossing defenses) in the qualification rounds is to determine win, lose, or tie.
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Points are used to WIN a match. Win = 2 RP, tie = 1. More points than your opponent = 1 win.
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Points are used to WIN a match. Win = 2 RP, tie = 1. More points than your opponent = 1 win.
Points or Ranking Points?
These similar names are getting confusing..

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5.3.4 also states the sorting criteria for ranking. The first being Ranking Score. 5.3.3 states that Ranking Points make up the Ranking Score.

The use of points (earned by scoring boulders in goals and by crossing defenses) in the qualification rounds is to determine win, lose, or tie.
So RP would be used to Determine W/L/T and Points would be used to Determine Qual Seeding?
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So RP would be used to Determine W/L/T and Points would be used to Determine Qual Seeding?
Wrong way around. Points, scored by the various actions on the field, determine W/L/T. W/L/T plus the "bonus" actions (Breach and Capture) give RP, which give a Rank (seed) for the competition.
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So RP would be used to Determine W/L/T and Points would be used to Determine Qual Seeding?
Points in a match are used to determine the W/L/T which in turn decide Ranking Points (along with Breach and Capture).

Ranking Points are used to determine ranking as detailed in 5.3.3 and 5.3.4.

You need to read the entire manual and use the information together to understand the game. It is hard to understand things with only bits and pieces of knowledge.
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