Secret Passage

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by gbear605

I believe that intercepting and hoarding more than one would count as a violation of G38.

How about if you parked right in front of the chute (I forget the official name), and every time a boulder was introduced into the field, just fire it right into the high goal from your position.
Obviously sounds like this shouldn't be allowed, but what rules would it violate?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by cjl2625

How about if you parked right in front of the chute (I forget the official name), and every time a ball was introduced into the field, just fire it right into the high goal from your position.
Obviously sounds like this shouldn't be allowed, but what rules would it violate?

You're not in the Courtyard. G39 says you get a tech foul per boulder.

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by EricH

You're not in the Courtyard. G39 says you get a tech foul per boulder.

Oh right, I forgot that the secret passage is not a part of the courtyard.

[IndySam]

G21 A ROBOT contacting carpet in the opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE may not contact opposing ROBOTS. Violation: TECH FOUL

This would make time in the secret passage risky.

[gbear605]

Originally Posted by IndySam

G21 A ROBOT contacting carpet in the opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE may not contact opposing ROBOTS. Violation: TECH FOUL

This would make time in the secret passage risky.

Intentionally making an opponent break G21 would break G11.

[cjl2625]

Originally Posted by IndySam

G21 A ROBOT contacting carpet in the opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE may not contact opposing ROBOTS. Violation: TECH FOUL

This would make time in the secret passage risky.

However, there's also the rule that says you cannot cause an opposing robot to commit a foul. So if you tried to play defense on a robot in your secret passage, would the foul backfire because of this rule?

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by gbear605

Intentionally making an opponent break G21 would break G11.

No pushing them into secret passage would be a violation of G11, contacting them in a place where they are not supposed to be would not.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by IndySam

No pushing them into secret passage would be a violation of G11, contacting them in a place where they are not supposed to be would not.

The rule is that if they contact you, they get a foul.

But if they are in there--and they are allowed to be in there!--and you hit them, I would rule it as no foul at best, and G11 if you were continuously pounding them. I am also not the GDC.

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by IndySam

No pushing them into secret passage would be a violation of G11, contacting them in a place where they are not supposed to be would not.

There is nothing that I can find that states they shouldn't be there. I doubt G21 would be phrased how it is if you are not allowed in the opponent's secret passage.

[AndyBare]

Originally Posted by cjl2625

However, there's also the rule that says you cannot cause an opposing robot to commit a foul. So if you tried to play defense on a robot in your secret passage, would the foul backfire because of this rule?

I don't think so. I think FIRST probably made this rule as more of a privilege. The passage is a vital time saver for your own alliance, so that being said, an opposing alliance member "camping" in your lane is going to be shutting you down hard. But if you're trying to go with the flow of the game, you shouldn't have to traverse your own defenses, so naturally, you're going to want to move through your passage. If an opposing alliance member is there when you're trying to move through, they're overstepping their bounds, and should want to get out of the way, for fear of being fowled. I think that's how it will play out.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by AndyBare

I don't think so. I think FIRST probably made this rule as more of a privilege. The passage is a vital time saver for your own alliance, so that being said, an opposing alliance member "camping" in your lane is going to be shutting you down hard. But if you're trying to go with the flow of the game, you shouldn't have to traverse your own defenses, so naturally, you're going to want to move through your passage. If an opposing alliance member is there when you're trying to move through, they're overstepping their bounds, and should want to get out of the way, for fear of being fowled. I think that's how it will play out.

There's no rule saying you can't use your own Group C defense to exit. You don't weaken them by doing so.

[AndyBare]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

There is nothing that I can find that states they shouldn't be there. I doubt G21 would be phrased how it is if you are not allowed in the opponent's secret passage.

G21 A ROBOT contacting carpet in the opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE may not contact opposing ROBOTS. Violation: TECH FOUL
I see it as "You are allowed into the opposition's passage, but if they touch you while you're in it, you will be fouled, no matter what."
Simply stated, the passage belongs to the opposing alliance, not yours. That being said, they have the right to travel through it without hindrance.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by AndyBare

G21 A ROBOT contacting carpet in the opponent’s SECRET PASSAGE may not contact opposing ROBOTS. Violation: TECH FOUL
I see it as "You are allowed into the opposition's passage, but if they touch you while you're in it, you will be fouled, no matter what."
Simply stated, the passage belongs to the opposing alliance, not yours. That being said, they have the right to travel through it without hindrance.

G11: You CANNOT cause your opponent to get a foul as a strategy. Capiche?

[AndyBare]

Originally Posted by EricH

There's no rule saying you can't use your own Group C defense to exit. You don't weaken them by doing so.

I never said there was a rule stating you can't. I just stated that methodically speaking, the fastest way from an alliance courtyard to the neutral zone is through a secret passage.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by AndyBare

I never said there was a rule stating you can't. I just stated that methodically speaking, the fastest way from an alliance courtyard to the neutral zone is through a secret passage.

What if you never entered the passage? It's not impossible to get the boulders to the neutral zone, as I understand...