By what time must an alliance have their defenses selected?

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

I'm wondering, how many times is the Audience Selection done? There's an example of the match schedule with 3 matches, all marked (A). It seems to indicate that the audience is selecting a defense from group A for those matches. Does the selection change each match, or is it static for all the matches marked as (A)?

Elsewhere in the manual it says the FMS randomly selects a starting group and then goes through the groups alphabetically, so the example should read:

Qualification 1 (A)
Qualification 2 (B)
Qualification 3 (C)

I suspect that's a pastographic error in the manual.

[ATannahill]

Doug, I believe the audience selection is changed by round. The round is a group of matches during which each team plays once. In which case the first three matches should be the same.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

Doug, I believe the audience selection is changed by round. The round is a group of matches during which each team plays once. In which case the first three matches should be the same.

Correct, I found it in 5.5.10.1:

Prior to each round of Qualification and Playoff MATCHES, the audience selects one of the DEFENSES used by both ALLIANCES on the FIELD

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Rounds for Playoffs are defined in a table as well.

I was beginning to worry about needing to have 9 or 10 minute match separations!

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

Doug, I believe the audience selection is changed by round. The round is a group of matches during which each team plays once. In which case the first three matches should be the same.

Ahh, here is the definition of a round:

5.3.1 Schedule The Qualification MATCH schedule is made available as soon as possible, but no later than one (1) hour before Qualification MATCHES are scheduled to begin. Each Qualification schedule consists of a series of rounds in which each team plays one (1) MATCH per round.



The rounds must be of variable length with the maximum number of matches per team being floor(teamCount/6).

The minimum number of matches per round would be 2 or 3 less than that based on how the matchmaker works.

So with 60 teams (as in Duluth) the maximum round size would be 10 and the minimum would be 7 or 8.

Peoria (where last I saw there were 33 teams) the maximum round would be 5 matches with the minimum being 2 or 3.

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by DareDad

Ahh, here is the definition of a round:

5.3.1 Schedule The Qualification MATCH schedule is made available as soon as possible, but no later than one (1) hour before Qualification MATCHES are scheduled to begin. Each Qualification schedule consists of a series of rounds in which each team plays one (1) MATCH per round.



The rounds must be of variable length with the maximum number of matches per team being floor(teamCount/6).

The minimum number of matches per round would be 2 or 3 less than that based on how the matchmaker works.

So with 60 teams (as in Duluth) the maximum round size would be 10 and the minimum would be 7 or 8.

Peoria (where last I saw there were 33 teams) the maximum round would be 5 matches with the minimum being 2 or 3.

I believe with 60 teams at an event, the round length would be constant at 10. If you had 58 teams the rounds would vary between 9 and 10 matches. I am not sure how you would define the end of a round if a match spans two different rounds.

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

I believe with 60 teams at an event, the round length would be constant at 10. If you had 58 teams the rounds would vary between 9 and 10 matches. I am not sure how you would define the end of a round if a match spans two different rounds.

With 60 teams, the gap between matches for any team will generally be in the 6 to 12 match range.

If the round was set at 10 for 60 teams you would guarantee that some teams would be playing twice in each round.

[ATannahill]

Originally Posted by DareDad

With 60 teams, the gap between matches for any team will generally be in the 6 to 12 match range.

If the round was set at 10 for 60 teams you would guarantee that some teams would be playing twice in each round.

I could play in the 8th match of round six and the 3rd match of round seven and the 8th match of round 8. That would mean I would have two vastly different break lengths while keeping the round length the same.

[Doug Frisk]

Originally Posted by rtfgnow

I could play in the 8th match of round six and the 3rd match of round seven and the 8th match of round 8. That would mean I would have two vastly different break lengths while keeping the round length the same.

Yes you could. My point was that if there are 60 teams at an event, even though the "natural" round size is 10 it's guaranteed that there will be teams repeating before that 10.

It's a moot point really, we'll know what the FMS does in a few weeks.

It could be variable, it could be static at floor(teamCount/6) or it could be static at floor(teamCount/6) minus some number.

Whatever it is we'll deal with it.

[ATannahill]

You can read up on how the rounds and matches are generated here.