Boulder shenanigans

[thatnameistaken]

In addition to what's been said above, the way I read G34, it's okay to have 7+ boulders so long as the human players immediately pick up the excess and introduce them to the field; as such, you can't really 'force' the foul to get a G11.

The rule might still be flawed, though; check out G33:

G33 BOULDERS may only be introduced to the FIELD
A. during TELEOP,
B. by a DRIVER or HUMAN PLAYER, and
C. through one of the holes in the HUMAN PLAYER STATION.
Violation: FOUL per BOULDER

(emphasis mine)

Imagine: the red alliance elects to give all 3 of their auto boulders to their human players, starting the match with 6 boulders in their castle. Then, once auto starts, the blue alliance spy bot scores a boulder in the first few seconds. Now what? The red alliance has 7 boulders; they can't legally introduce one to the field until teleop, nor can they legally keep them all. Are they fouled? Is G11 called on the blue alliance?

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by thatnameistaken

Imagine: the red alliance elects to give all 3 of their auto boulders to their human players, starting the match with 6 boulders in their castle. Then, once auto starts, the blue alliance spy bot scores a boulder in the first few seconds. Now what? The red alliance has 7 boulders; they can't legally introduce one to the field until teleop, nor can they legally keep them all. Are they fouled? Is G11 called on the blue alliance?

Yikes. It can't be a G11, because it was a strategy to score points, not cause a foul.

Perhaps the "immediately" grace period extends until after Teleop begins. A question for Q&A.

[thatnameistaken]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Yikes. It can't be a G11, because it was a strategy to score points, not cause a foul.

Perhaps the "immediately" grace period extends until after Teleop begins. A question for Q&A.

Agreed, and that interpretation of 'immediately' is how I expect the GDC to respond.

[IronicDeadBird]

Originally Posted by thatnameistaken

Agreed, and that interpretation of immediately is how I expect the GDC to respond.

Maybe if we get lucky they will just say chute door.

[ratdude747]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Yikes. It can't be a G11, because it was a strategy to score points, not cause a foul.

Perhaps the "immediately" grace period extends until after Teleop begins. A question for Q&A.

I would think so too... as if you interpret it the other way, whatver the human player did they'd get a foul. Be it for breaking the starting line or not purging boulders in time. Still I agree, Q&A should be the ones to say such, so that it gets clarified in the rules.