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Re: Immobile 200+ pts solo robot concept

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Originally Posted by TimTheGreat View Post
Not quite. G11 states that the opposing alliance cannot force a robot to break a rule. So if they touch you it's not a foul on you. In fact, it's a foul on the OTHER team.
No, that is not what G11 states. This is what G11 says (emphasis added):
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Strategies aimed solely at forcing the opposing ALLIANCE to violate a rule are not in the spirit of FIRST Robotics Competition and not allowed.
Bumping into someone in your secret passage is not a "strategy." No momentary game event is a "strategy." You have every right to drive around in your secret passage, and if someone is in your way you have the right to bump into them.

A lot of people are over-interpreting G11 in this way, and some of the previous posts have done a good job of showing how absurd that interpretation is. Combined with G21, that means that if two robots on opposite alliances hit each other in a secret passage, whichever one initiated the contact gets a foul, which will often be impossible to judge, and clearly goes against the intent of G21, which is written to only apply to members of the opposing alliance. That's not to mention the infinite descent of "well you caused me to cause you to foul me, so you violated G11 by forcing me to violate G11," and so on ad absurdam. Any interpretation of the rules that results in infinite recursion is clearly flawed.

The intent of G21 is clearly that robots in the opposing team's secret passage have to make way for opposing robots or get a foul. The opposing team does not have to have a justification for doing so--it's their own secret passage, they can do what they want in it!
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