Passing the boulder

[team4601]

I'm sorry if im repeating myself from the other threads but I did not see anything on any rules if we are allowed to pass the boulder to another robot on the same alliance once you breech the outerworks? So basically can you have another robot feed you the boulders as long as they breech the outerworks? Sorry if i am repeating but I could not find anything on this.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Bobby Hudock
Co-build leader
Team 4601 Canfield Circuitbirds

[Kevin Sevcik]

The boulder rules have nothing to do with breaching. The pertinent rules only talk about how boulders may legally enter the opponents courtyard. Once they're in the courtyard, you can do about whatever you want with them, including passing them to a teammate that may have started the match in the opponent's courtyard and never left it. If they anything specific you're confused on with the boulder rules?

[MrForbes]

You didn't see any rules against it, did you?

I don't see much use for it, because getting a boulder into your robot, while you're on the opposing courtyard, is not a trivial task. It seems to me that it would be more useful to score the boulder in the low goal, than to give up possession.. If your robot is able to pass it to another robot, you could just as easily "pass" it to the goal, eh?

Points per unit time....

[team4601]

That basically answers our question of once your into the courtyard you can do whatever you want with the boulder. Thank you!

Bobby Hudock
Team 4601 Canfield Circuitbirds

[rich2202]

There is a benefit to passing to a bot that can reliably shoot the high goal.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Maybe. Depends on how long it takes them to fetch their next boulder and what defenses they can cross. If it takes you both the same amount of time to fetch and score, then you're probably better off scoring individually, since they won't have to wait for your pass, you won't have to wait for them to shoot, and there's no extra delay for the pass to happen.

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

The boulder rules have nothing to do with breaching. The pertinent rules only talk about how boulders may legally enter the opponents courtyard. Once they're in the courtyard, you can do about whatever you want with them, including passing them to a teammate that may have started the match in the opponent's courtyard and never left it. If they anything specific you're confused on with the boulder rules?

"......you can do about whatever you want with them...."

Except of course launch them outside the field intentionally.

[Josh Goodman]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

Maybe. Depends on how long it takes them to fetch their next boulder and what defenses they can cross. If it takes you both the same amount of time to fetch and score, then you're probably better off scoring individually, since they won't have to wait for your pass, you won't have to wait for them to shoot, and there's no extra delay for the pass to happen.

There is always the fear for low goal robots to get trapped on the batter which would slow down cycle time as well.

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by cglrcng

"......you can do about whatever you want with them...."

Except of course launch them outside the field intentionally.

Or wedge a DEFENSE open, or damage them, or...

[cglrcng]

Originally Posted by MrForbes

You didn't see any rules against it, did you?

I don't see much use for it, because getting a boulder into your robot, while you're on the opposing courtyard, is not a trivial task. It seems to me that it would be more useful to score the boulder in the low goal, than to give up possession.. If your robot is able to pass it to another robot, you could just as easily "pass" it to the goal, eh?

Points per unit time....

I don't know...If I have an accurate supershooter alliance partner that is hitting all high and easy as pie in the zone parked 11' from the tower lets say, and all I can do is accurately deliver low goal (because my particular personal vision bot is the DEFENSES SPECIALIST....And we can easily mate up and transfer the ammunition easily on a pass.....I'm handing off (and defending him for the shot if necessary), if not, I can be halfway back by the time the shot clears, it is worth 1.50 times the low goal score (5 points vs 2 points X # of cycles we can complete together). I (together w/ trusty LOW BAR SPECIALIST), need to keep him supplied w/ ammunition so he can complete that task of damaging the Tower and complete my task of BREACHING & grabbing that starting RP.

My ideal ideation of a Courtyard Supershooter has more than 1 boulder collector method/entry so single robot defense against it receiving the pass is not going to be quite as effective.

When we built our Rebound Rumble Robot, we built in both front and rear collection points and the ability to reverse the feed so we could intake front and rear and operate them independently of each other (but as a stream), and intake rear from 1 robot, expel same balls from the front. We could actually sit in the middle of the auto assembly line and both of us fed our balls straight to a shooter partner who then shot them all center high and nobody moved.

[AndyBare]

An in depth look at how you may pass through the outer works without crossing, or violating the rules. Say you have a passing robot and a receiving robot.

The passing robot is partly in the neutral zone and partly in the outer works.
The receiving robot is partly in the courtyard, and partly in the outer works.

Rule G40 states A ROBOT may not cause a BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD unless...

There is no rule about causing a Boulder to move solely from the neutral zone into the outer works.
[This is the rule-legal task of the Passing robot]

There is also no rule about causing a boulder to move solely from the outer works into the courtyard.
[This is the rule-legal task of the Receiving robot]

Because the receiving bot manipulates the boulder within the outer works, it is the cause of the boulder entering the opposing courtyard, and thus, the passing bot is not the cause of a BOULDER mov[ing] from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD
Under these conditions, the pass is in compliance of rule G40.

G41 also states that during each CROSSING, a ROBOT may not cause more than one (1) BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD. Because neither robot ever has to cross (you only have to CROSS because of rule G40) , they can pass as many boulders as they want, with no limit.

[EricH]

Andy, I'd ask Q&A about that one. Occasionally, the letter and the spirit of the rules aren't on speaking terms. This appears to be one of those cases.

[George Nishimura]

Originally Posted by AndyBare

An in depth look at how you may pass through the outer works without crossing, or violating the rules. Say you have a passing robot and a receiving robot.

The passing robot is partly in the neutral zone and partly in the outer works.
The receiving robot is partly in the courtyard, and partly in the outer works.

Rule G40 states A ROBOT may not cause a BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD unless...

There is no rule about causing a Boulder to move solely from the neutral zone into the outer works.
[This is the rule-legal task of the Passing robot]

There is also no rule about causing a boulder to move solely from the outer works into the courtyard.
[This is the rule-legal task of the Receiving robot]

Because the receiving bot manipulates the boulder within the outer works, it is the cause of the boulder entering the opposing courtyard, and thus, the passing bot is not the cause of a BOULDER mov[ing] from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD
Under these conditions, the pass is in compliance of rule G40.

G41 also states that during each CROSSING, a ROBOT may not cause more than one (1) BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD. Because neither robot ever has to cross (you only have to CROSS because of rule G40) , they can pass as many boulders as they want, with no limit.

I'll add to this:

In general, is it illegal for a robot to pick up a boulder from the OUTER WORKS from the COURTYARD's side, therefore not qualifying as a valid CROSSING?

For example, a stray boulder gets stuck in the ROUGH TERRAIN, or perhaps more contentiously, a bowl from the human player to (through) the LOW BAR?

[AndyBare]

Originally Posted by George Nishimura

I'll add to this:

In general, is it illegal for a robot to pick up a boulder from the OUTER WORKS from the COURTYARD's side, therefore not qualifying as a valid CROSSING?

For example, a stray boulder gets stuck in the ROUGH TERRAIN, or perhaps more contentiously, a bowl from the human player to (through) the LOW BAR?

As the rules stand, no. You only need to cross in order to get the ball from the neutral zone to the opponents courtyard.

[rich2202]

You can also pass a boulder from the Outworks (that you got from the Neutral Zone) as long as you end up in the courtyard. There is no rule that requires you to hold onto the boulder until you reach the courtyard. Only that, if the boulder ends up in the courtyard, the robot must also eventually end up in the courtyard (with our without the boulder).