Ball bouncing out of the high Goal

[New Lightning]

So I had this thought today as we were reviewing out prototyped shooters and I realized that we had a lot of force coming out of these shooters. My concern would be what would be the ruling if we shot the ball into the high goal, but there was so much force on the ball that it bounced off the backboard and rebounded back into the field. Would that still count as a score or would we have to shoot it back into the goal again?

[BigJ]

The BOULDER never counts as scored.

Originally Posted by 3.1.4

A BOULDER is scored in a GOAL if it passes through the opening of a GOAL and exits into the CORRAL.

[BethMo]

There will be chains hanging inside the goal to absorb force, which will (hopefully!) prevent this from being much of a problem.

However, based on previous years experience, I believe that shots that bounce out will not count towards your score.

[CalTran]

There are chains like in 2013 and 2010 to help mitigate the boulders bouncing out. That said, in your scenario, when the ball bounces off, it doesn't count as scored.
Have you considered shooting with less force?

[MrJohnston]

Originally Posted by New Lightning

So I had this thought today as we were reviewing out prototyped shooters and I realized that we had a lot of force coming out of these shooters. My concern would be what would be the ruling if we shot the ball into the high goal, but there was so much force on the ball that it bounced off the backboard and rebounded back into the field. Would that still count as a score or would we have to shoot it back into the goal again?

It's a lot like 2013 when frisbees routinely bounced out of the goals - either from hitting the target with too much force or from over-filling the goals to the point they spilled out.... If it doesn't stay in, it's no good.

[tindleroot]

I feel sorry for the team that that happened to in 2014. They shot a high goal, then it bounced on a table edge or something and came right back through the goal onto the field. Even that didn't count as scored...

[CalTran]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

It's a lot like 2013 when frisbees routinely bounced out of the goals - either from hitting the target with too much force or from over-filling the goals to the point they spilled out.... If it doesn't stay in, it's no good.

At least this year it's really difficult to overfill the goal. I'm interested to see the return of the pokey stick from 2012.

[New Lightning]

Thanks for the help. Yes we will be shooting with less force so hopefully that will not be an issue.

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by BigJ

The BOULDER never counts as scored.

Yeah, the scoring system counts all boulders that fall into the corral, with some counters at the bottom of the tower. There are no counters at the entrance of the tower. They showed the counters in one of the intro videos.

[Anthony Galea]

Also, the backboard will also absorb some of the impact as shown here

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by The Doctor

Yeah, the scoring system counts all boulders that fall into the corral, with some counters at the bottom of the tower. There are no counters at the entrance of the tower. They showed the counters in one of the intro videos.

There must be some sensor before the corral, or else the scoring system wouldn't know to add a high goal or a low goal.

[Kristian Calhoun]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

There must be some sensor before the corral, or else the scoring system wouldn't know to add a high goal or a low goal.

There are separate sensors used for scoring balls entering the corral from the high and low goals. See the attached picture:

[Peyton Yeung]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

I feel sorry for the team that that happened to in 2014. They shot a high goal, then it bounced on a table edge or something and came right back through the goal onto the field. Even that didn't count as scored...

I think this is what you were referring to.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

I think this is what you were referring to.

That be it.

[danieh65]

At the very least, it would be helpful if FIRST increased the amount or mass of the chains so that this would not happen as often. While we have been considering lowering the power of our shooter so that this does not happen as often, it just seems logical to ensure that shots made in the high goal are counted as accurately as possible. In the last competition, 107 experienced this issue recurrently, sometimes occurring up to three times in a single match.