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Motor Used for Shooting

Just curious as to what motors people are using to siege the opposing towers with. With the unlimited-ness of non-CIM motors, what are people going for?
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

We haven't finalized anything, but we've been prototyping with a CIM.
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

775pro at 2:1 ftw
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

Do you mean for shooting/throwing boulders or for climbing?
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

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Do you mean for shooting/throwing boulders or for climbing?
Title says shooting. I guess siege has 2 meanings this game...
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

Apologies, it clearly says in the thread title.
775Pro motors are working very well for us
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

We've so far been pretty successful using 775pros on a 4:1 versaplanetary gearbox with 4" wheels at ~4500RPM (max rpm for this setup). Once the stages come in we'll be upping that to 3:1, for a shooting speed of around 6000RPM.

If I had to give any advice, it would mostly be that versaplanetary gearboxes with low reductions are wonderful, not only for powering your wheel, but mounting it to your frame. A helpful note, using a CIM adapter on a versaplanetary and gearing it 1:1 (no reduction stages) is a wonderful way to easily and sturdily drive a flywheel with a CIM or Mini-CIM. This setup on a Mini-CIM nets around the same top RPM (~4500) as with our setup mentioned above. See Ri3D Greenhorns for an example of this use case.

I'd suggest using the 775pros (or 775s from Banebots), as opposed to BAG motors, CIMs, or Mini-CIMs, for the higher top RPM and power-to-weight ratio, seeing as a shooting mechanism is very unlikely to torque-stall and burn out the motor during regular operation. However, I'm sure there are ways to make any of those power a successful shooter.
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

We've stuck with mini-cims our entire prototyping process and have been pleased with the results. I posted a video of said results in Robot Showcase. Our final design incorporates this motor. Actually, almost all our high power motors in the current design are mini-cims, including the drive system.
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

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We've so far been pretty successful using 775pros on a 4:1 versaplanetary gearbox with 4" wheels at ~4500RPM (max rpm for this setup). Once the stages come in we'll be upping that to 3:1, for a shooting speed of around 6000RPM..
Reading between the lines, it sounds like you are not planning to control wheel speed, is that right?


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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

Been toying with the need for encoder to get consistent speed. Parts for prototype should be here tomorrow, so snowstorm-allowing, we'll get going with a prototype and hopefully find out.
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

Can someone do a quick rundown of plus and minus of each (Mini Cim, Bag and 775 Pro) for shooters thanks.
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

At the moment we're planning to use one of these motors:

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At the moment we're planning to use one of these motors:

Pneumatic punching option, a la 2014? Sick. I like it.
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At the moment we're planning to use one of these motors:
Hmmmm.... Is this a hint at a catapult? Or maybe a linear puncher?
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Re: Motor Used for Shooting

A miniCIM... In a vex pro ball shifter
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