Team Update 3 (2016)

[EricH]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

A theory I have is the GDC is saying "Don't make a closed loop out of the scoring system"

THIS. One of the first things I thought about was a 469-esque system. (Referring to the 2010 robot, naturally.)

Then I realized that the GDC had made that VERY difficult. Now they've made it just about impossible.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

A theory I have is the GDC is saying "Don't make a closed loop out of the scoring system"

If that's the case -- creating a labyrinth of poorly written rules and penalties to address a singular edge case from 6 years prior is the very definition of cutting off one's nose to spite their face.

This game is on track to be another with inconsistent reffing and nonsensical calls.

[Sunshine]

I believe that my initial reaction and comments are more valid today than at kickoff.

FIRST heard people complain about no defense or alliance interaction last year. They provided us a game with defense but made rules preventing most defense strategies. They want:
Lots of offense and scoring
Teams working together not against each other
Lots if activity with minimum obstruction
Play basketball defense in limited areas but not football

Please understand that this us not a rant. I love this years game.

[aldaeron]

They added the word "select" to the automotive motors section of R29 and then did not define the selection criteria ...

Q&A already submitted.

[IKE]

Originally Posted by aldaeron

They added the word "select" to the automotive motors section of R29 and then did not define the selection criteria ...

Q&A already submitted.

In parenthesis, they mention:
(window, door, windshield wiper, seat, throttle) a version of these have been in many previous Kit of Parts throughout the years (either specifically noted, or via the ADA motor thing).

My suspicion about them adding "select" would be to keep it to the relatively lower power actuator style motors listed in parenthesis vs. finding a higher power electric motor, but definitely worth a Q&A to ensure you are getting the right interpretation. Over the years there has been various wordings used that conveyed slightly different intentions.

[aldaeron]

It already said "(Window, Door, Windshield Wiper, Seat, Throttle)". Not sure what the addition of "Select" means. Are there some window motors that aren't allowed? Clear as mud.

I'm sure they will clarify it. Problem is how do you add something that can be measured? From experience calling OEM manufacturers in past years, they don't usually supply things like measured, well documented Peak Power, Stall Torque, etc.

-matto-

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird

This is just a theory though they could have patched this out by saying "you cannot score from your opponents secret passage."

I sent an e-mail (not a Q&A) suggesting that they are creating a Ref'ing nightmare if the Ref is supposed to keep track of where each boulder came from. The genesis of the question was related to passing boulders through the Outer Works. If a boulder ended up in the Outerworks from the Courtyard, then it is ok, but if it originated from the Neutral Zone then it is not.

It is one thing to keep track of a boulder in active transit. It is another to keep track of boulders that may be sitting around for a while.

If you can't score a boulder from the opponent's secret passage, is that any boulder that ends up there (missed shot), or only boulders that have been introduced by a human player.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by aldaeron

It already said "(Window, Door, Windshield Wiper, Seat, Throttle)". Not sure what the addition of "Select" means. Are there some window motors that aren't allowed? Clear as mud.

I'm sure they will clarify it. Problem is how do you add something that can be measured? From experience calling OEM manufacturers in past years, they don't usually supply things like measured, well documented Peak Power, Stall Torque, etc.

-matto-

I read the rule as select automotive motors are legal and the select motors are any window, door, wiper, seat or throttle motor with no restrictions other than it originally being used for one of those functions. I think the intention is to prevent high power motors such as a starter motor from qualifying.

I do not read it as only select versions of window, door, wiper, seat or throttle motors will be legal.

Of course I may be wrong.

[aldaeron]

Originally Posted by Mr V

I read the rule as select automotive motors are legal and the select motors are any window, door, wiper, seat or throttle motor with no restrictions other than it originally being used for one of those functions. I think the intention is to prevent high power motors such as a starter motor from qualifying.

I do not read it as only select versions of window, door, wiper, seat or throttle motors will be legal.

Of course I may be wrong.

They answered the Q&A and what you presumed is the correct answer. I thought it was already clear without the word "select", but I wanted to make sure. Worst thing is to get to a competition and find you are illegal.

[MooreteP]

The Game Test that I am trying to write is getting harder to do with each Team Update.