Go to Post You can take my blocker... but you can never take my cheesecake! - Andrew Schreiber [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Electrical
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 23-01-2016, 19:16
philso philso is offline
Mentor
FRC #2587
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 938
philso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 3-way PWM Splitter

Avoid mixing makes AND models of motor controllers. Most of the ones I have looked at use a photocoupler as the input device. The different models, even if they came from the same manufacturer are likely to use different photocouplers. Different photocouplers will likely have different Forward Voltages, VF. If you put different controllers, with different VF's, only the one with the lowest VF will work.
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 23-01-2016, 23:08
nandeeka's Avatar
nandeeka nandeeka is offline
Registered User
FRC #1868
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: May 2014
Rookie Year: 2013
Location: United States
Posts: 53
nandeeka is on a distinguished road
Re: 3-way PWM Splitter

Is this even legal given R53?

Quote:
R53 Each power regulating device may control electrical loads per Table 4-4. Unless otherwise noted, each power regulating device shall control one and only one electrical load.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 23-01-2016, 23:21
rich2202 rich2202 is offline
Registered User
FRC #2202 (BEAST Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,192
rich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond reputerich2202 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 3-way PWM Splitter

R53 applies to the Motor Controller, not the PWM signal that controls the Motor Controller.

If you are running out of PWM ports, you might want to consider CANbus to control the motor controllers.
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 25-01-2016, 08:02
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,770
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 3-way PWM Splitter

philso,
None of the controllers that I have looked at have a raw opto-coupler input connected to the PWM port. There should be a series current limiting resistor so the V forward difference should not show up as a problem. That being said, single point of failure is likely to raise it's ugly head if one is not careful. A bad controller will take down all three, a pinched wire will take down all three. Your mileage will vary.
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 25-01-2016, 09:46
philso philso is offline
Mentor
FRC #2587
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 938
philso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 3-way PWM Splitter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz View Post
philso,
None of the controllers that I have looked at have a raw opto-coupler input connected to the PWM port. There should be a series current limiting resistor so the V forward difference should not show up as a problem. That being said, single point of failure is likely to raise it's ugly head if one is not careful. A bad controller will take down all three, a pinched wire will take down all three. Your mileage will vary.
We confirmed with the manufacturer that we should not have been paralleling the inputs of the two types of motor controllers we had and that the LED VF's were the problem. Once we had only controllers of one type connected together, they all worked properly. We had no defective motor controllers.

Perhaps some of the motor controllers have a current limiting resistor in series with the LED. If the one with the lowest VF does not have a current limiting resistor, it will still prevent the other ones from turning on.
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 25-01-2016, 09:56
Greg Needel's Avatar Unsung FIRST Hero
Greg Needel Greg Needel is offline
REVving up for a new season
FRC #2848 (All-sparks)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 3,105
Greg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Needel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: 3-way PWM Splitter

Quote:
Originally Posted by philso View Post
We confirmed with the manufacturer that we should not have been paralleling the inputs of the two types of motor controllers we had and that the LED VF's were the problem. Once we had only controllers of one type connected together, they all worked properly. We had no defective motor controllers.

Perhaps some of the motor controllers have a current limiting resistor in series with the LED. If the one with the lowest VF does not have a current limiting resistor, it will still prevent the other ones from turning on.
The SPARK has a 150 ohm series resistor with the optocoupler's LED. If you are curious about anything else inside the spark our complete schematic is in the back of our users guide on our website. http://www.revrobotics.com/wp-conten...1200-UM-00.pdf
__________________
Greg Needel│www.robogreg.com
Co-founder REV Robotics LLC www.REVrobotics.com
2014 FRC World Champions with 254, 469, & 74
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:36.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi