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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

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Yeah, I was attempting to indirectly point out that you can't say a wheel is, or isn't, a flywheel based on its weight. Because whether or not it's "heavy" just depends on how much energy you need to store.

I just wanted to emphasize the fact that the OP's terminology was correct and that these are considered flywheels in this application.
But they're not, these wheels are not storing energy (or at least enough energy to make any difference) which is the exact point of a flywheel.
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

That's a flywheel!

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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

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But they're not, these wheels are not storing energy (or at least enough energy to make any difference) which is the exact point of a flywheel.
Yes they are. They're storing kinetic energy. If the wheel needs to be spun up before the ball contacts it for it to work as intended, then the wheel is a flywheel. Whether or not it is a particularly good flywheel isn't relevant. Spinning wheel shooters in FRC work by storing kinetic energy, which is exactly what a flywheel is.
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

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But they're not, these wheels are not storing energy (or at least enough energy to make any difference) which is the exact point of a flywheel.
It is still a flywheel, just not a particularly good one.
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It's definitely a fly wheel but not in the traditional sense. We spin the wheels up for a couple of seconds to gain energy before the ball is pushed into the wheel therefore it is a fly wheel.
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

looks nice but what whats your method of loading it?
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

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Yeah, I guess a heavy shooter wheel would be a flywheel in itself.
You guys might need some sleep. I can't see those wheels producing a useful amount of lift at all.
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

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Looks good, nice and clean... those wheels though... they look like they might rip the ball up.
They do.
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looks nice but what whats your method of loading it?
It's just a matter of reversing the motors and pitching it down.
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They do.
Do you have pictures or anything to support this? I'd be interested in seeing what kind of damage of they caused, and what the application was that caused it.
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Do you have pictures or anything to support this? I'd be interested in seeing what kind of damage of they caused, and what the application was that caused it.
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

We did some prototyping with those wheels, and while they did scuff the ball, they didn't cause any major damage to our ball. It likely depends on the amount of compression you have.
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We did some prototyping with those wheels, and while they did scuff the ball, they didn't cause any major damage to our ball. It likely depends on the amount of compression you have.
We had the same result in the process of testing, but we got it to a point where there was no sign that it was fired.
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Re: pic: FRC 2869 - 2016 Shooter

What motors are you using there in the image?
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